Erin Hennessey – My How & Why Sciton

Trish

Hello listeners. It’s Trish Hammond here again from the Transforming Bodies podcast and today, I’m uber excited. I mean, I’m always excited. I know that. But today, I’m uber started because I’m actually going to be speaking to Erin Hennessey. Now, Erin Hennessy, I met at a couple of rockstar events with Sciton a couple of years ago, and then I kinda meet her every year, which is great. And just recently, she did the most mind-blowing treatment on me, but also I listened to her most amazing presentation on how she started in her career, where she’s at now, and what she does and Erin is actually, she actually completed her Masters of Science In Nursing and also her Doctor as well so she’s actually Dr Erin Hennessy and today, we’re gonna talk about basically how she started in clinic, which devices she uses and why she loves the Sciton devices so much and basically, where’s she that now? So welcome Erin.

Erin

Thank you so much, Trish. Thank you for having me.

Trish

Oh, my goodness me. Thank you so much for taking your time because I know how busy you are. And I’ve taken you away. So I’m sorry. Thank you for joining me.

Erin

Oh my gosh. You know, I think we’re all busy these days. Right?

Trish

That’s so true. That’s so true. Well, Erin, look, as I said, I met you a couple of years ago at one of the Rockstar events and, like, I think you’re freaking amazing. And then having had a treatment by you at the last event a couple of about a month ago, I’m even more mind-blown because I’ve seen it on myself. So first of all, tell us, what would you start in aesthetics, like, where did you go from nursing, doing your bachelor of science in nursing? And then here you are a year later, running your own successful clinic and you’ve got a doctor and all that. So make it start.

 

Erin

Oh my gosh. Well, thank you for the kind words. First of all, that’s so sweet. You know what, so I started out as I was 21 years old when I graduated from nursing school and I started out in Pedia ICU Trauma, Burn, and Trucked surgery. So I worked at a Children’s Hospital and we specialize in burn. We were one of the only burn centers in the area and so we took care of a lot of burn patients, and then obviously substantively trauma patients, it was a subsection of trauma and I worked with the most amazing plastic surgeons, and what we did for folks who had gone through some sort of life and physical altering trauma was wonderful and I loved it. I loved working with those patients, they were amazing. We were kind of part of their life with the worst talkable moments, but then we saw them through till the end and we helped them heal not just physically, but also emotionally and mentally and so it wasn’t a big jump going from that to aesthetics. Because we do so many similar things in aesthetics. We’re really helping people with something that is decreasing their self-esteem, that they look in the mirror and wish that they could change about themselves that prevent them from really feeling confident, putting their face forward into the world. And so as I was probably, I would say, maybe 12 to 15 years in, I had already got my masters. I decided I wanted to go on and do my doctorate and so I went ahead and did a Doctoral fellowship and project that was isolated in surgical management and aesthetics and laser surgery and laser therapies so that was kind of my primary focus in healing skin with a laser. Now back in the day when I was 21 and I was just starting out and working burned, if you would have told me that one day we would be burning skin with laser to heal burns, I would have told you were crazy. I would have looked at you like you were nuts. But now, it’s trying to explain to patients. This is how we’re going to help your burnt skin or this is how we’re gonna help your skin be better is we’re actually going to use thermal damage that’s very isolated and very controlled to stimulate the body’s natural healing process to get you to a better place, and so that your skin looks better and functions better.

Trish

And you know what, you just mentioned laser surgery. Because, I mean, I saw the results that one of the in Australia, one of the burns victims just recently Kelsey, actually, I kind of saw how one of the practitioners using the Sciton devices did kind of getting her back to a basically, I know it’s it sounds vain, but to kind of look better and for her to feel better in her own skin, and that was from the fire from the volcano eruption in New Zealand. Mhmm. So when you say laser their laser surgery, is that kind of what you mean, or what else is meant by laser surgery?

Erin

You know, there are times that we’re using lasers in conjunction with surgical procedures, and then there are times that we’re using them in dependence on a surgery per se. But still, whenever you’re doing a procedure with lasers, everything still needs to have that same high level of sterility and cleanliness, and we need to make sure that we’re also caring for the skin in the same way that we would in something that is postsurgical and so as we’re making those transformative changes to the skin, even if it is by itself, we still have those high standards of care for our patients.

Trish

Yep, absolutely. Totally. And sorry, and back to reminding back to, like, you were in emergency for burns in the twelve was it well, you were there for twelve years. Is that right?

Erin

I was. I was after twelve years. 

Trish

Wow. Yeah. That’s I’m gonna give you a bit of background. So then fast forward to when you started your own clinic, how did you even decide to start and wear and who did you partner up with and why?

Erin

So that’s a great question. I got to the point where my kids were getting a little bit older, and I felt like I needed to be home more. And I just needed a little bit more flexibility in my schedule to be there for them. I wanted to be there when they got home from school some days and I wanted not to get called in and in as middle of the night anymore. Working 12-hour shift 7pm to 7am, it takes a toll on you. And so I thought, what is it about my job that I really love? You know, what parts of it, I wanna kind of pull out and say, I wanna do that every day. I wanna do something I love every day and kind of take away the things that weren’t just my zone of love, but also my zone of genius too. I think it’s really important when we think about where we are the education we have and what we’re doing, if you’re able to do what you love every day, it just doesn’t feel like work and I feel like I have not worked a day since I started my business, but I worked harder than I ever have at anything and probably more hours, it’s just that it’s different. It’s different when you’re the owner, you’re the trainer and you’re the point person, you do have more flexibility in your life and it has been an amazing challenge that my husband and I have taken on in starting this business, I always joke that I didn’t know until later after I started the business and it was probably, 4 or 5 years old, someone said to me, oh my gosh, it’s amazing what you’ve done because most medical this is their aesthetic practices, about 50% of them don’t make it past the second year and 50% of them don’t make it past the fifth year from there. Yes. I thought, so I thought, I’m so glad I had no idea. Like, it just never occurred to me that this wouldn’t work. It was just never a thought in my mind. So when I thought about what I wanted to do, I really wanted to work with lasers. I really wanted to work in aesthetics and I really wanted to work with patients because that was the part of my job that I absolutely loved doing. It brought me the most joy and I felt like that’s really where my talents were and so that was kind of what I extracted from my practice and then said, I wanna start this business and I had a plastic surgeon that we’ve still work with to this day. I still work with Monday mornings, and plastics, Dr. Jeff Kesler and he’s wonderful. He has been incredibly supportive of me since day one, even though it meant I was kind of leaving that daily grind to do something else, and we have worked together beautifully since I started because again, we don’t do plastic surgery, but there are a lot of folks that come into an aesthetic practice and what they’re really looking for is surgical results. And so we’re able to work together to get patients with their needs. Sometimes they go to plastic surgery, and they don’t necessarily wanna engage in all that yet or they’re not ready. They just want to kind of get their skin healthier and looking better and want that worked on and so then that’s a great patient for us. The patient that is kind of pulling up on their skin and pulling it taut and wants more of those surgical results, then we’re able to send them over to him and so it’s just been a really great marriage of practices and we’ve been able to work together to get patients what they really need.

Trish

And I guess that’s when it comes down to that thing, it always comes back to the power of the partnership, hey, it’s like you’re gonna make sure that the well, sorry, you’re gonna help to make sure that the patient gets the results that they want by boarding them onto the plastic surgery and vice versa if it’s got patients who need to get the need to get their skin in better condition before surgery so that you can get a better result. It’s some like you it swings around about, I guess.

Erin

Yes. Yeah. You have to have the people in your community that maybe offer something that you don’t. But you know they do good work. You’re confident that they’re gonna since a good result, but you also know that they have that kind of aesthetic etiquette, I’ll say, aesthetic practice etiquette, where they’re gonna go ahead and send them right back to you for the services that you provide. It’s not a situation where they’re quote-unquote, poaching, or stealing your patients and so I have an aesthetician that we work with. We don’t have aestheticians in our practice, but we have a couple of aestheticians who will refer their patients to us, and then we refer them right back to their aesthetician. Same thing with us. We really try to be a good team player. We try to play well in the sandbox with kind of that aesthetic community per se.

Trish

Of course. And so how did you like, what in how did you get introduced to Sciton? Because they’re like, I’d never heard of Sciton until still kind of became the Australian person, if you like and that’s the first time I heard about Sciton and once you hear about it, you can’t unhear about it. And I’m like, I’m not I’ve heard about them, like, after all these years.

Erin

Yeah. No. I totally understand that. So I was a research assistant in my graduate program. And one of the things that we were doing there at the Cleveland Clinic was we were doing testing for lasers and a couple of the trials were for skin cancers a couple of the trials that we had were for burn management patients and so I was lucky enough. I had the great good fortune to work in that industry, and so they thought I’d be a good fit having come from Burn and Plastics for those types of trials and so a lot of those trials were being done with laser therapy or with late therapy and Sciton was that one machine that we always worked with, that we knew was gonna turn on every day, that was gonna do a good job, and it was very interesting for me as like, a minion research assistant to see what those lasers were doing and I really enjoyed working with the laser in research. But when I got out of school and really saw how they were being used operationally in practice, again for burn management, not as much for skin cancer prevention in the U.S for unfortunate reasons our insurance companies aren’t too concerned about prevention, a good portion of the time. I think that that is changing, but currently, they aren’t so we know that these lasers help prevent skin cancers by reorganizing those epithelial layers of skin and really getting the skin healthier. But it’s not something necessarily that the insurance company is engaging in as covered therapy so you know, we were working with them in different ways, whether it was doing laser alongside blepharoplasty or doing laser alongside facelift or doing them just for a nice picks me up, a nice glow, less downtime, or to correct very damaged sun damaged just aging skin with laxity or acne scars and so I was fascinated by it. I am such a science geek and this kind of combined physics and skin healing and medicine, and I just thought it was amazing and so I kind of just dove in headfirst and any webinars I could get my hands on, any studies I could get my hands on and really Sciton was the company that built the best machine and so when you’re thinking about opening your own practice, you do your due diligence, and you ask other folks that you trust, other providers, hey, what do you have? Why do you have it? Do you love it? What are the pros? What are the cons? And then you talk to the other reps, not because you necessarily want that machine, but you have to explore everything that’s out there. And so the people that I trusted the most and the people that got the best result, they had Sciton and they raved about the customer service they received. They raved about the machine and the hardiness of it and its efficacy and that was one thing that just always stuck with me alongside the education. They were like, you are not going to buy this machine and not have any opportunity to learn how to be the best of the best. If you want to be the best at this, they are going to support you every step of the way. They’re going to provide all of the education that you want plus more. And for me, that was incredibly important. Because I really did wanna be the best at what I did. I mean, that’s I think that we all have that drive, or at least most of us that go into a profession. We have that drive that we really want to do the best for our patients. That was really important to me and so to know that not only were they going to be there, if there should be a hiccup or something were to go wrong, but also that they would provide a good amount of education to me, those were really big factors. And then as a business owner, you really wanna know that your device is your capital investment, they’re gonna turn on every day for you and be reliable. So, you know, it was kind of like hiring an employee – right! You’re looking at reliability, you’re looking at efficacy. I always say Sciton is my best employee in the practice because I know it’s gonna be there, it’s gonna turn on, it’s gonna work hard every day, and then I have surrounded our wonderful technology with some of the most amazing providers.I work with the best nursing staff, I say, because they really are I am impressed by them continuously, and they also have that same drive to really do a great job for their patients and take great care of people.

Trish

Mhmm. You know, it’s interesting what you said because the one thing that stood out for me was to listen to the stories of people who I started my clinic and couldn’t didn’t really want us, couldn’t afford a lot of money, and thought, oh, god, this is really going out and we’re here to spend so much on a device and yet that device has actually been the core thing that’s actually made their business expand exponentially more than what they even expected. And then a couple of years later, they opened the second clinic and then the third clinic so that that in itself was something that blew me away. It’s almost like aligning yourself with the right practitioners, but also aligning yourself with the right device that’s actually going to propel your business and that’s something that really stood out for me.

Erin

Oh, for sure. That, I mean, a device can make or break your practice. It can be the best investment catalyst that you have or it can be a long-term liability that is expensive co rack and nobody ever wants to make that.

Trish

So true. And so when you did get like, what was the first device from Sciton that you got? And like, how have you grown from there? Because I know you have a like, you’ve got so much there and so much. Actually, like, it’s I’ve always won for aligning yourself with the right practitioner, but the fact that you could actually go somewhere and know that they’re gonna look after all of your aesthetic and skin needs. Like, how did you like it, which device did you start with? And where did you go from there? Because I know you’ve got pretty much everything.

Erin

We do. We do. I say, like, some people collect shoes. They had like, they like shoes and I collect lasers. So we started out with the Joule, which was the bigger machine from Sciton that has more component availability on it and so I definitely wanted Broadband light because it does not create a break in the skin. It is a wonderful light-based device that is kind of foundational for everything else we do so where injectables are going to kind of tailor the skin and where surgery is going to tailor the skin, BBL and lasers are going to dry clean it and you really need both. We always say you wouldn’t make your bed with a dirty sheet. You wash the sheet first and then you tailor it to the bed. So it was one of those things where in my head, I thought, what are my patients going to come in with? What are their concerns? And then, what am I going to have to offer them? And that needed to match my demographic, and their needs needed to match my offerings so BBL was a no-brainer. Foundational treatment for everything that we do. It’s almost like a turbo booster for every other treatment that we have. And then the second treatment that I brought on at the same time on the same box was HALO and I still love HALO. I think that there’s I mean, I love all of them. But it always has a special place in my heart simply because it was the one laser that we had that we started out with because again it could do so many things. It was two laser wavelengths we could use it very delicately and gently and superficially or we could really kind of appropriately treat deep pathology and acne scars and deep lines and wrinkles with it and so it offered a little bit of something for everybody in my practice. So that was what I started out with as a BBL-HALO. Very shortly after that, once we got the device paid off, we added on ProFractional therapy which is what I was most comfortable with using because we used it more for burn patients and we also used it for scars. And then we found out very quickly by experimenting with it that we could also use it as a lighter treatment and have folks that had very little downtime without great tightening to their skin and very little healing process that went along with it. So, ProFractional was a wonderful addition and then we brought on TRL and Diva.
So from there, we opened a second practice and mJoule was out at that point, which is a lovely little box that has BBL and it has MOXI on it. So it had BBL, which was our mainstay, was our love, and then we could add MOXI to that, which was a wavelength unlike any of the other ones that Sciton had, where it really targeted that pigment in the skin with very little heat, so it was incredibly safe for all skin types and all skin colors and that’s wonderful to have when you have a diverse patient population in your practice to be able to say, everybody’s oxygen my door is gonna be a great candidate for something on this machine was wonderful and so mJoule provides that for us. When we opened our second practice, that’s what we started with. And then we ended up purchasing another Joule because, of course, we couldn’t have all of our other love in that practice and not bring on all the other things that we really reached for every day in our toolbox and so now we have two Joules and we have a mJoule and I am convince them another mJoule is on the horizon for us as we’re expanding and we’re growing. Thank goodness.

Trish

Amazing. And, you know, it’s some just by hearing you, like because I’ve was an absolute HALO addict because I need for the simple reason, the first that when I because I’ve had three HALOs over the last probably couple of years or whatever and it just blew me away, like the results of my skin. But I like that it’s not just a cookie cutter approach because when I saw you, you’re like, because I was like, I want a BBL-HALO. That’s what I want because I know what I want. But you said to me, oh, you really, can I try something else on you which was the ProFractional and the MOXI? And I’m like, yeah, sure, and yet again, I was blown away even more by those results so I love the fact that like, the latest thing, and I think this is not just with Sciton, but this this stacking the treatments with each other. So just because I think that I want the HALO video because I’ve seen those results and I’m like, oh my god, that’s what I wanna look like that. You know, give me that when you align yourself with that right practice, you’re gonna say, okay, let’s try this, and because I think this I would like to do this on you and I was blown, I am totally like this is to wait for my skin is to look at the best. I cannot go out for one day without someone saying to me, oh, my gosh, you look so good and I’m like, thank you, Erin. But tell us about facts because one plus one equals three, and you’re saying, HALO-BBL and stuff like that, can you give us a little bit more on that? Like, or actually one other question because one thing that blew me away, I always thought that I could never have my skin treated with certain devices because I am a Fitzpatrick IV and people say, oh, no. I wouldn’t do a BBL on you because you’re Fitzpatrick IV let’s stay away from that sort of broadband light treatment, but it’s not the case. Is it?

Erin

It’s not. And here is what I will tell you though, if you have a provider that says, I will not treat your skin with that device it means that they don’t have experience treating skin that looks like yours, that is your type with that device and so it is okay. To say, okay, totally fine. Because perhaps it’s something that they’re not comfortable with and they know kind of where their knowledge base is, and where their limitations are, and that there is nothing wrong with that and I’m grateful for that. I have been lucky that we have treated so many different skin types with so many different devices and we’ve had outcomes that we have had to work harder on correcting we’ve had situations where people had extra peramital reactions. And so, I guess, I’ve been I feel a little old when I’m like, I have been around long enough to be quite a few things and so I think that just the experience of treating different skin types with all different types of lasers and knowing where your limitations are, where your boundaries are on those lasers. I know I can use this device on that type of skin, but I know I have to be within these parameters and whereas maybe other people don’t have that experience and they’re like, I just avoid that altogether and that’s okay for them. It’s totally fine. Hopefully, they are then referring those patients to another provider who does have that experience with it or pulling out the tool that they are confident with and utilizing that so sometimes it’s your toolbox and sometimes it’s your experience in using them. You wouldn’t want someone who’s never used a circular saw to get it out and use it for the very first time on your project. Right? And so I typically say if there is something that they’re comfortable with, it’s probably because they know what to expect as far as outcomes go, and everyone has a little bit of a different way of treating things and what’s wonderful is that none of them are wrong. They’re all different. So I may look at your skin one day and say, Here’s what I’m seeing. I see you have some dryness. I’m starting to see some deeper lines. I’m starting to see some dullness and I’m going to combine these three tools together because this is the best one for this, this is the best one for that, and this one polishes on the tops, and then that’s kind of how we decide. I always sit kind of like wearing an Iron Man mask where you kind of swipe things out of the way where it’s like, okay, these are the concerns. Here are my tools. Here’s what I’m gonna use, and then the rest kind of goes to the weight side. And so when I hear people say, I’ve always had, BBL HALO together, I’ve always had these two things. I’m like, that is wonderful. But it also tells me that your skin has reached this level of improvement because of those devices and so I always think in my head, what else do I have to just move them further along? In either collagen building or smoothing or whatever the goals are and so I really wanna know what’s bugging you right now in the mirror. Maybe not what was bugging you 10 years ago or even with bugging you 5 years ago or before you had your first treatment, I always say, tell me what your skin is doing right now because that’s what I wanna work on for you. Because that’s what you’re looking at in the mirror and that’s what’s causing you to go, oh, I really should get and so a lot of times when we’re stacking treatments, we’ve been doing this for a long time. I just don’t think we had a name for it. Now we have the name STAX where we used to do this quite often, but now I think people are getting more confident in their skills and they’re starting to understand what wavelengths they can combine together and in what order and for what conditions. And so when we have folks that have older and more aged skin, we know that they get better results faster when we do multiple treatments in one sitting. We always try to do light therapy before we do laser therapy and so kind of the order of things goes light and laser and then non ablative before ablative. And so when we think about that order, and we think about what concerns people have, you can really start to formulate a great care plan for them in utilizing multiple things in one sitting. Now I always say it usually comes with a bit of a price as far as downtime goes, because it’s a lot of energy in the skin. So I just make sure that my patients have that downtime to give because I have some folks that say, listen, I don’t have a day that I can just heal. I’m on call every day or I’m a surgeon or I’m a governor or I’m on the news and so there are folks that quite literally don’t have downtime to give me, but we still have combination therapies that we can utilize for them like Broadband Light and ClearSilk together and it still gives them these gorgeous results. It’s just gonna take a few more treatments to get you to where you need to be. And then at a certain point, you’re going to say, okay, now I wanna work on texture and that’s when we’re gonna have the discussion again about downtime and about when can you fit this into your life and when can you fit this into your schedule. So even if people aren’t ready for that, but they still wanna create some improvement, we can do that incrementally. We always say, do you want to get from Point A to Point Z in one sitting? Do you want to step at every vowel on the way? Or do you want to stop at every consonant? We can do anything you’d like just to come on how many treatments that you want to come in for, maybe how close you live to the office. We have some patients who fly in from other states or other countries and so we want to do as much as we can for those patients in one sitting, but the trade-off is being out of makeup for a little bit and healing.

Trish

Yep. Well, I haven’t worn any makeup since since you did my treatment. 

Erin

That’s wonderful and I love hearing that.

Trish

Not even concealer and I like it because it’s very much who I am. Like, if I of course, if I’ve gotta go out to a special function, I will probably put some makeup on. Obviously, I’ve been nowhere, hey. No, not really. But if I had to go somewhere, I definitely like to wear a little bit of makeup, but I just haven’t even like I needed, I could actually go out to a big function and just put on some eyeliner and mascara. I’d be happy with that. That’s how amazing my skin looks. 

Erin

Is it liberating? It’s wonderful.  

Trish

Yeah. Liberating. I know. And then I was gonna ask you, you mentioned before about the fact that the preventative side of things, especially skin cancers. Because here in Australia, it’s our thing, skin cancers and not so much for me because I have dark skin and I am obsessed with looking after my skin like I’m quite dark and I still wear glasses and a hat covering my whole face everywhere I go. But the preventative side, like, one thing that that I really love is the fact that there have been practitioners who’ve actually started using this if I hang on, something’s going on here, and then they’ve decided to start doing the research on, you know, where this preventative one cancer thing comes back. Can you tell us a little bit about that? Because it’s so interesting, especially in Australia rather than going these things burnt off like this. Actually, something you can do to help with the prevention of more happening.

Erin

Absolutely. One of the places I feel like laser prevention of kind of further skin cancers really shines is in darker skin types. Because the traditional methodology of treating actinic keratoses in the dermatology setting is with liquid nitrogen and unfortunately with beautiful skin colour, we kind of noticed that it lightens a little bit and with our darker Fitzpatrick skin types, we noticed that that hypopigmentation that occurs is really challenging to fix on the flip side, not impossible, just really challenging and so when we have patients who come to us and maybe they’d had a basal cell in the past or a squamous cell, or maybe they’d had actinic damage to their skin. When we’re doing things like HALO, and ProFractional and TRL resurfacing, we know that it’s helping to kind of restructure and take off that dead top layers skin that tends to kind of be keratosis and that also tends to get that kind of red just really scaly, scabby, rough feeling to it so it’s very identifying of an actinic keratosis or precancerous lesions and so we’ve been able to reduce not only the incidence of them if they’re present, but also the recurrence of those coming up. So we have folks that are at our practice twice a year for HALO with TRL together. Again, that’s stacking treatment, maybe they’re even doing BBL, HALO and TRL, just so that they can continue to have their skin be in that healthy state and not develop more of these actinic keratosis. When we look at AKs or actinic keratosis and we look at squamous cell carcinoma under a microscope, they’re molecularly very similar. They look very very similar in topology and so we know that and we know that these actinic damaged areas can go on to be further damaging to the skin in forms of skin cancer and so if we can improve them now and we can prevent new ones from popping up, especially and beautiful skin of colour. That’s always a win in my box.

Trish

Mhmm. Mhmm. Yeah. It’s just I love the whole theory behind it all as well the fact that you can actually not only make yourself look better but actually you could probably either you could possibly stop something really bad from happening as well.

Erin 

Oh, for sure. I mean, anytime we can be preventative and proactive, instead of reactive, I just always think it’s it’s a good thing.

Trish

Yep. I know we’ve spoken about like, well, we spoke about skin, but tell me a little bit about the vascular side because that’s, like, I didn’t realise that that you could actually fix veins and vascular things with a laser and I’ve actually seen it and in and I’ve seen where this red little disgusting vein that you’ve had forever to disappear.

Erin 

It’s crazy. Right?

Trish

It’s insane.

Erin 

It is. And what it really comes down to is knowing how to manipulate the laser wavelengths that target certain things. And so there are certain wavelengths that target water and those are the ones that resurface the skin. There are wavelengths that target melanin, and those are the ones that bring the brown spots up, and then move them off and then there are other wavelengths that target hemoglobin and so that’s the redness or blood in the skin and so we have little blood vessels that sometimes come to the surface because they’re healing something on the skin. A lot of times and so whether it’s sun damage or whether it’s just, you know, rosacea that the person has or they’ve had inflammation from acne there’s usually something that has been going on in their skin that has caused the little blood vessels to come to the surface and then they just kind of never settle down and go back.
And your body has no inclination to clear them out because they’re yours. They’re just more superficial and so from an aesthetics perspective, when we see those, the first thing we want to know is, are you still doing the activities that cause your body to think that it needs to heal itself on the surface? Are you wearing sunscreen? Are you using vitamin Ds? Are you using retinols or using harsh products or are you drying out your skin too much. We start kind of in those patients with what are you doing to your skin and are we protecting it because we know that, sun exposure, heat, hot yoga, tanning, different things like that, eating spicy foods, hormones are all going to bring those back up to the surface and so I like to say after we do a vascular treatment, about fifty percent of the results going to come from what I just did in the chair and then fifty percent of the results gonna come from what you do in the next 72 hours because that’s about the time it takes for the body to recognize that you’ve ablated these blood vessels when it goes in, clears all of that out, and heals the area. And so now with ClearSilk, we have an even deeper laser wavelength or kind of clearing out that pathology. And it’s beautiful for patients who’ve been covering up blood vessels for years and years. So with ClearV and ClearSilk, we’re able to kind of tampen down that redness that happens in the skin and again, we think about from a perspective of what are you covering up with makeup every day? My goal is always to get my patients out of makeup, maybe just wearing tinted sunscreen every day. Something that just gives you a little glow and makes your skin look good and protects it certainly. But we always think about what are you covering up and so many folks are covering up tone, and they’re covering up the redness that they see in their skin and so to be able to kind of keep the cheek from flushing and keep the little blood vessel the way on the nose, central forehead and central chiller where we see them a lot and that’s life-changing person’s people not to look like that. I think it had a negative connotation with Irish and Scottish spoke that, oh, they must be a drinker, and that’s not really what it’s from. It’s really, it’s genetic. It’s a predisposition to have that. I have nothing to do with alcoholism, which neither just smoker’s line. We take hold of smokers’ lines and they don’t have, you know, certainly, if you smoke and are making that person face all the time, you have more of a propensity for it, but most people it’s just genetic, have to do with a job on ageing and things like that so we can try to run from our genetics, but we can’t hide for very long.

Trish 

That’s so true. That’s so true. And look, I could talk to you forever, and I know that you’ve taken time out of your busy day, and it’s the end of the day for you here. So I won’t keep you on, but I want I’m gonna ask you one more question. So if you were starting oh, if you were gonna speak to someone who was either starting out in a clinic or had a clinic and kind of it never really grown if that makes any sense. And you will say, okay, this is what I would you know, this is the device that I will get started. I’ve got to start. With this, that that that, like, can you give us, like, a bit of a not a timeline, but kind of, like, a device line where you would start?

Erin

Absolutely. And I think that’s a really important question because there are so many practices I talk to, they’re like, we’re not yet ready for an energy-based device and I’m always curious about that comment because an energy-based device is going to bring revenue to your practice and so sometimes it’s a position of maybe you can’t afford not to bring on an energy-based device and so I started out my practice with my BBL, my HALO, and then injectables. And I feel like at this point, with more and more people wanting natural results, and with more and more people saying, I don’t know that I want filler. I have an aunt that does that. She looks crazy. You know, they’re fearful of it. Certainly we can educate and help people understand that that’s not the look that we involve ourselves in but with folks being far more interested in natural results and really great healthy skin, if you’re a new practice, you need to find something that does a really nice job for everybody that walks in your door and that’s why I recommend mJoule to a lot of people as their first device. It gives you BBL and it gives you MOXI so everybody that walks through your door is a good candidate for something on that box alongside their Botox and or filler and other things like chemical peels that you have in your practice. And so whenever anyone says, like, what, you know, if you can start over again, what would you start out with? I would start out most likely with mJouel, with BBL and MOXI, because you can treat all skin colours, and all skin types. You can treat acne, you can treat rosacea, you can treat melasma, you can treat pigmentation, you can treat sun damage, and it’s also a great maintenance therapy as well and so there are so many things that you could do with that device that when your patients come in every three months, for their talks appointment, they could also be pairing that with BBL every single time, or maybe every other time MOXI-BBL and so it doesn’t make sense to me for you not to have that type of device because that’s what people are looking for. They’re looking for healthy skin and really natural results.

Trish

That’s so true. We just wanna we wanna look like we’ve not had anything done, and we just wanna look healthy and like we drink lots of water.

Erin

Now, we wanna look good for our ages. We just came back from vacation and are really well-rested and glowy. Like, I think that’s that’s what everybody’s going for. If you’re in your fifties, I get a lot of people say, I don’t look twenty. It looks weird if I look twenty but I’m gonna look really good for fifty. Like, people can’t believe I have kids the age that they are. You know, those are the comments that you want.

Trish

Yep. Absolutely. I agree with you one hundred percent for sure. Oh, look, I gotta say thank you so much, Erin. It’s been so insightful and interesting to talk to you, and I love your story. I love the fact that you’ve got all these studies behind you, but you don’t actually like, if I had studied my doctor, you could betcha, I’d have a doctor and my name but you just not care. You just wanna look after people. I love it.

Erin

I do. I really just wanna take good care of people. I want them to be happy. Literally in their skin. I want them to be happy with their skin, but I think that there’s a certain amount of psychological component that comes that as well and I want them to be really happy with how they look, but also with how they’re presenting themselves in the world.

Trish

Yep. Amazing. Look, thank you so much for joining us. I really appreciate your time.

Erin

Thank you so much, Trish. Thank you for inviting me.

Trish

Oh, my pleasure. And, listen, if you do wanna ever check out anything that Erin does, you can actually find her on Instagram or on the website. It’s actually blush and it’s what’s your acronym after blush on Instagram?

Erin 

On Instagram, it’s @blushaesthetics

Trish

Oh, I’m thinking of the website. Sorry. Yep.

Erin 

And our website is blushnwo.com.

Trish

And what’s the N-W-O stand for?

Erin 

It stands for Northwest, Ohio which is the area of the state that we’re located in.

Trish

Great. And that’s exactly what I was wondering or from the very beginning. I thought I forgot to ask that. So @blushaesthetics on Instagram, you’ll be blown away by some of the stuff that you’ll see and if you wanna check out Erin’s website, it’s blushnwo.com.

Erin 

It is.

 

Trish

Lovely. Thank you, Erin.

Erin 

Pleasure. Have a good day. 

Trish

You too. Bye.

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