Dr Botros on VenusVivaMD

Today we get to speak with Dr Nashwa Botros about the VenusVivaMD? Dr Botros shares her personal late onset acne story, and how this led her to the VenusVivaMD, which changed her life! We get to cover the treatment the VenusVivaMD offers, the skin types and concerns it can treat, PLUS downtime!
Dr. Botros can be found at the Naturally Beautiful Cosmetic Clinic In Mount Waverley in Victoria. She is a fellow of the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners, a Fellow of the Australasian College of Aesthetic Medicine, and also a member of the Cosmetic Physicians College of Australasia – she’s an absolute gem in the aesthetic industry.
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Transcript- Dr Botros on VenusVivaMD

Trish

Hello listeners. It’s Trish Hammond here from the Aesthetics Uncensored Podcast and today I am joined by Dr. Nashwa Botros. Now she is the director and founder of the Naturally Beautiful Clinic in Mount Waverley in Victoria. She’s a GP and a Cosmetic Physician and Dr. Botros is very passionate about this industry, she endeavors to provide the best possible care tailored to every patient’s needs. She strives for excellence and continues to protect her skills through ongoing training so that all of her patients can feel confident that they’re getting the safest and the most current treatments. And she also trains other doctors and nurses so you obviously know she knows what she’s talking about. So today we’re going to talk about a device that she has in her clinic called the VenusVivaMD, and the wonderful things that it can do, and yet why she got it and why she got into the industry so welcome Dr. Botros.

Dr Botros

Thank you very much Trish.

Trish 

Thank you for joining us today.

Dr Botros

My pleasure to be joined.

Trish 

Lovely. So tell me first of all, how did you get into the aesthetics industry? Because I think nobody starts, nobody becomes a doctor to become a Cosmetic Doctor, generally. And so yeah, what got you into aesthetics?

Dr Botros 

Yes. I’m to start with a fellow of Royal College of General practitioners and I used to have like every year or to get a certificate of some sort of further education and my point that made me join the cosmetic is I suffered personally, acne and acne scarring. In my uni kind of life, it was like when I had late onset acne, when I finished my University of Medicine or School of Medicine, I started to get it and from then on, I got the scars and so forth. So I started to join the ACAM and CPCA and had the fellowship of these colleges and started to get passionate about skin and dermatology in general and then the acidic views, my hobby used to be painting and drawing so to me, the aesthetic medicine, combined all of these together with my eagerness to medical knowledge so you can combine all of that in the cosmetic industry.

Trish 

You know, it’s really funny because a lot of practitioners do actually have that artistic background. And really, when you think about it, well not a lot, but I’ve spoken to a few. And when you think about it, like what you do it is art really it’s you know, it’s still hard, isn’t it?

Dr Botros 

Because you have a view of what you are going to reach so it’s a lot of imagination, a lot of, it is definitely an art.

Trish 

Yeah, definitely no doubt about it. So, how long have you had, first of all, what does the Venus Viva MD device do? Like why is it so wonderful in your clinic?

Dr Botros 

It is actually an amazing machine. I call it the small and mighty machine. It’s such a small machine, very easy to carry, very easy to handle but it makes wonders in the skin and particularly acne scarring and surgical scars. Venus VivaMD in a particular run or has to be operated by a medical practitioner, by a doctor. So even by a doctor who had the training in it, because it has these two pins, the 160 pin and the 80 pin and the 80 pin goes really deep into the skin to be able to cure these scars so it has to be handled by a medical practitioner.

Trish  

Okay, so the treatment kind of is like a resurfacing treatment is that it?

Dr Botros 

It is resurfacing. It’s not a fractional radio frequency resurfacing and it combines the ablation and coagulation. And it has this wonderful variation of the parameters so you can adjust what you want to do and according to the condition, and it’s such a versatile machine and you can adjust your parameters to what you are treating.

Trish  

Okay, so the different things that you do so if I was a patient, I could come in to see you for, like damaged skin, lines and wrinkles, or if I had acne, or if I had scars, like any of those things is what this is going to work effectively on.

Dr Botros 

Correct. It’s so it starts from just a mild rejuvenation, to deep scarring deep wrinkles. So anything in between is just a subtle rejuvenation. You can treat pigmentation, rosacea, mild acne, scarring, moderate, mild wrinkles, moderate wrinkles, severe acne, scarring, severe wrinkles, so you’ve got this wide range of disorders that you can treat.

Trish  

Okay, so say, if we start from the beginning, and we say, Okay, I want to fix up some, I’ve got some damaged skin, I want to come and get it sorted. Is it a treatment that you have one soft or it was a protocol of treatments? Because I would imagine that, to get the best results, you would do it depending on the person what they needed, you would have to do it over a space of time, is that right?

Dr Botros 

Correct, because it is not very harsh, resurfacing at the same time. And it is a smart kind of machine, it has this technology, smart scanning technology. So when it delivers the energy, it doesn’t damage the top layer of the skin. So you need two or three treatments and it has to be spaced between four to six weeks, between each other between the treatment and the other and the patients actually do not mind that at all. In fact, they feel the improvement and they can see the improvement of their skin and they suggested to each other and suggested to their friends and I have wonderful rapport with the machine from my patients.

Trish  

You know, and that makes a lot of sense because it’s hard to just do one thing and see a difference. Like it’s a build up. Yeah, build up over time and when you take those before and afters that I’ve seen on your website, like that’s when you see the real difference, because sometimes you see if it takes a few months for trimming you forget what it was like before, but when you see it in the pictures like oh my god, what a different sets may. Yeah.

Dr Botros 

And I tell them exactly, you build in your own land, we build your collagen and we’re not just making a temporary treatment so every single treatment builds your own collagen, and you’re gonna enjoy this result for a long term. So then we put the patients on a maintenance plan and they are very happy to do so.

Trish  

Yeah, because you want to make sure that, number one- year results last, number two- you’re doing the maintenance for as well so that it can always get that slightly better as well. 

I think anyway, 

Dr Botros 

I believe so. Yes. 

Trish 

So what about, say acne? So is it for acne or for acne scars?

Dr Botros 

Look, it says it’s mainly for acne scars, but believe it or not, I use it to treat mild acne and it actually proved to be very effective. It’s just you have to introduce your clinical skills into it and your expertise to it andI it’s mainly for acne scarring, of course but when you would like to reduce the flare ups, this is the way to go as well.

Trish 

Actually we mentioned before and that was what made you buy that, was one of the reasons that you bought this device wasn’t it was something to do with you. You had late onset acne as an adult.

Dr Botros 

Yes.

Trish 

Can you tell us about that?

Dr Botros 

Oh, yeah. When I finished medical school, I said I started to have my first acne pimple and then from then onward for like about five or 10 years, I had the flare ups of acne at that time, I shouldn’t tell you my age, but at that time, there was not multiple options to treat, it was only some antibiotics and some local topical things and the first thing was introduced in my time was dermabrasion. But the surgical one, and of course, with my skin type, it wouldn’t be suitable for me and I lived with these acne scars and the flare ups every now and then, until I was like, maybe up to 40 years of age and I was trying to do with chemical peels and things like that, the topical skin therapy is to reduce this cause. And believe it or not, when I got the MD it was one treatment. I’m not sure if I put it on my website or not. It did great results and that’s why I purchased the machine.

Trish 

Yeah, right. It’s really, we have that real proof before you even, yeah.

Dr Botros 

I remember on my wedding day, I had this big cyst in my favorable cheek, so I had to have all my photos from the other side, which I don’t like. But we had to go through this year at that time.

Trish 

So it’s so good when you get a solution, you’re doing it yourself. But okay, so acne, acne scars, and this also can treat stretch marks, is that right?

Dr Botros 

Perfect in stretch marks and I did stretch marks in the abdominal area and over the breast as well and in the arms and the legs and it was wonderful. We shouldn’t forget about this. I get the patients, especially the one who lost weight or after delivery, after they gave birth. They come and ask about that and it’s a wonderful technique to use as well. It’s very tolerable as long as you use the proper anesthetic.

Trish   

Yeah, yeah. Because I was looking at some before and afters and all this one in particular that I’m looking at is someone who’s had a C section. A lady who’s had a C section, but also just above the mine of her C section. That area that’s got stretch marks but also her belly button is got like a bit of a line down the middle. But it seems like after Venus VivaMD has been used three to six times not only has the line looks like half the size, which just seems surreal to me, but looks like half the size as in like the sides of coming so much but also the stretch marks are gone. But that skin looks even tighter, is that my imagination? I’m coming in, the line has gone, the line from the belly button down is gone.

Dr Botros 

It is tightening, it offers tightening to the skin and that’s why it’s my first line to go for people with loose skin. When I have other machines as well for you know, for rejuvenation, but when I get people like the age of 50 plus, and I see the elasticity of the skin just lost the tightness in it. That is my way to go, the Viva because it offers tightening so while it’s rejuvenating, it tightens as well.

Trish    

Right. So that and I guess that’s where the NanoFractional RF side of it comes in?

Dr Botros  

Correct. Correct. Right. It is amazing technology. It’s two birds with one stone as they say.

Trish  

Yes. Okay. And I read on and I can’t say now but I read somewhere when I was doing a bit of research. I read something about the pulse.

Dr Botros   

Yeah, it reduces the size of the pulse because it tightens the skin. But that’s part of the effect of it. How it reduces the white pores and it really improves the skin texture and adds the glow to the skin.

Trish  

Okay. And with that, I guess that’s going to help with the skin texture as well, like how sometimes we when you have that nice, should not shiny, but that nice even colour skin that brings out that sort of tends to glow or shine whatever not on but with my picture. Yeah.

Dr Botros  

Perfect Trish within the natural appearance, because we have this technology that yes, you may have wonderful resurfacing, but you get this leathery look after and people would feel no, this person doesn’t look normal, looks like it’s a very shiny skin, and it doesn’t look normal. So people now, looking for the natural results and this is where we choose this machine in particular, because it gives us perfect results very comparable to co2 Laser without the artificial look. It has a very natural look.

Trish  

Yep. And, and with that, because it’s like, I know you have more than one treatment but you can actually notice a significant difference after that first treatment. If you’re doing it for your face, can’t you? I’ve seen like after one treatment after three and I’ve seen the difference and there’s a significant difference, even after the first treatment.

Dr Botros  

Correct. Correct. And I did not believe it until I saw it.

Trish    

Yeah, yeah. And I was going to ask you, so if you were to say, Okay, well, I want to go on a program to stay looking rejuvenated all the time. So I’ll come have a Venus Viva treatment for my face now. I’ll come in this treatment, and you have your three treatments and I don’t know how far apart, how far apart feeds treatment would you do? One month, three months?

Dr Botros

Six weeks. This is a good period.

Trish    

Okay, so three treatments over six months, or sorry, over three, six weeks, then six weeks and six weeks, and three treatments and then after that. So would you like it would make sense that every so often to come back and have a bit of a shoe shop like every year? 

Dr Botros 

I give it to the patient or recommend that they come every six months to have one session at least. And I have people who are sticking by that very easily. And there are some other people who like to do the three sessions, maybe every year. Yeah.

Trish   

Is there any skin that can’t use this device? Because anyone that you would say yeah, no, sorry, you can’t this is not for you. Or is it pretty much?

Dr Botros 

No, this is the T about this machine because it’s radio frequency and it’s very smart and you’ve got the ability to adjust. It’s designed for up to Fitzpatrick six so that’s why you don’t get really worried when you use it for dark skinned people.

Trish   

Yeah. You know what, and one of the things that I like about it is the fact that it’s some, like you said before, people want to look natural, but they want to look fresher. And I think that’s one of the things about having a treatment like this one, that’s radio frequencies is the fact that you don’t like you’re not changing anything, you’re just freshening up what’s already there, or, bringing out the glow.

Dr Botros  

In fact, just like turning the clock back a bit, like maybe 17 years back, and they love it. Yeah, they love it. It’s such a positive effect on their confidence and their enjoyment of life.

Trish   

Yeah. And is there like how long would a treatment take us on that? Like, sometimes we’re in a hurry these days. I quite like taking my time but sometimes you know, you just want to go and have something done really quickly. So say if I was we’ll use the use the see the you do two examples; you use one for someone who wants the skin of the face rejuvenated then we’ll use the example for the the belly say a scar from a C section with some skin tightening. So with the face one, if I was to come and see you have a consultation, and it’s like I will, let’s do this and we put the protocol in place, how long would I have to actually be there for a treatment?

Dr Botros   

The treatment itself, look, I spend more time talking about the technology, about what we’re going to do, the possible side effects, the after care and all of this, and I make sure that the patient understands everything, answer the questions. So that might take on its own, maybe 30 minutes, or even more, the treatment itself, if we did it just straight on, it will take, between 30 to 40 minutes for the face. I don’t like to rush, I like to have a look at all areas, if I missed anything and I’m really very meticulous with this, because you don’t want to end up having stamps in the face and there are gaps in between. That you don’t like to have this appearance after that so I give like a good 45 minutes for the treatments. You can add, after that LED, if you want, you can have a bit of a facial after this. It’s a lot of things you can add so the treatment may go from 45 minutes to an hour and a quarter if you want.

Trish  

Okay, so it’s not a rush thing. It’s like, okay, we’re going to do this within your property, we’re going to take our time so I like that. I like that a lot so what about if it was for someone who’s had a C section or even a tummy tuck? And a bit of stretchy skin stretch marks and the big scar? Like, how would that be the same sort of time for the treatment? Because it almost seemed like the same amount of space? This is, I guess,

Dr Botros   

It probably depends on the face, it takes a bit longer because it’s full of curves and areas, you need to be careful when you do it around eyes and mouth and things like that. The only thing that you got to be worried about around the scar area is the surface area. So it’s purely a timeframe, purely depending on how big the area that you are treating.

Trish  

True, that makes a lot of sense and is this like, like from what you said before? Like you use this all the time in your clinic, don’t you?

Dr Botros

Oh, yes. Yes, definitely.

Trish   

Awesome. And I guess you could, there’s a comment, like you said before, there’s combination treatments with it so if you were doing the space, you could do the LED afterwards. So people kind of just get more enhanced results as well. So it’s good to having the fact that you’ve got combination therapies to go with it as well, I think is always a big winner when you’re looking for a clinic to do treatments. Now, if you’ve got there and you can add on a bit of LED or you can add like I love that I think it’s it’s a bit more service and like you said, you’d like your your patients to go away, you want to make sure that you are giving them the safest, most current but also, you want them to go away, feeling that they do look their best in their own unique way as well and that sounds like the perfect way to do it.

Dr Botros 

And you can actually combine the DiamondPolar with the radio frequency smart scan so you do the DiamondPolar first and then you do your RF after the 160 or 80 pin that can lengthen the treatment, but it gives better results and plumping at the same time and tightening you get the double benefit of wonderful tightening happens with this treatment, ultimate goals, I think. 

Trish  

Yeah.Sounds great. Sounds great. And I just want to finish off but I had one more question to ask you about it. Oh, downtime. What’s the downtime for someone who’s say for example, if I want to do my face like how long do I have to be thinking for downtime? And is there anything I should do before or after digging, before to make it better or quicker or whatever? And afterwards to help recovery?

Dr Botros  

Downtime is very minimal and it’s like once the patient finished with the treatment. All they feel is a little bit of heat in the face like a bit of redness, maybe a bit of swelling around the eye area and the mouth area that may last for a day or two the most with proper care and the way they sleep, sleeping on a higher pillow, the swelling will be minimum. I reassure you that between the third and fourth day, you will be extremely back to normal. You can put your makeup on, you can put your makeup on the next day if you want. But I mean, if you’d like to just give the skin a chance to recover by the third or fourth day you can apply makeup on and it’s completely known so minimal downtime. It’s really, honestly a weekend treatment.

Trish   

Okay, you’re so good coming on Friday, recover on the weekend, go back to work on Monday. No, you just look better. No one knows you’ve had anything done. I love it. It’s my kind of treatment. Amazing. Yeah. Awesome. Can I just ask you, if someone would like, tell us a little bit about your clinic? So if someone wants to come and see you, how can they find you? Because I know you’re at Mount Waverley in Victoria.

Dr Botros  

Yeah, we have our Facebook so website and the Instagram and yeah,

Trish 

I’ve got it here. Actually, I’ve got it here. So the website is drnashwabotros.com.au and on there, I just if you scroll down the bottom, there’s a link to your Facebook, there’s links to Instagram, you can get in contact with the clinic as well. Awesome. Well, look, I gotta say, thank you so much for joining us today. It’s been really interesting and I love learning about the devices, especially the ones that make you look younger. Look after your skin because it’s really important. I’ve seen skin that looks better 10 years ago, if you take it before, 10 years ago and take it after 10 years now, skin that looks better now than it did 10 years ago and I think this is the way that that’s going to happen for people.

Dr Botros  

Correct. Yeah. Thank you very much Trish.

Trish

My pleasure. Thank you so much for joining us today. You lovely and listen before you go, I also want to let you know that Dr. Dr. Botros is a fellow of the Royal Australian College of General Practitioners. She’s a fellow of the Australasian College of aesthetic medicine, and she’s also a member of the cosmetic physicians College of Australasia, so she definitely knows what she’s talking about. I want to thank you so much for taking the time to join us today. Dr. Botros.

Dr Botros  

Thank you very much.

Trish 

Have a lovely day.

Dr Botros  

You too.

Trish

Bye

Dr Botros  

Bye

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