Dr Jay Burns (Sciton) mJoule & JouleX

“I don’t want to sell you a treatment anymore, I want to do a comprehensive skin care analysis, show you what you have, and sell you a long-term comprehensive treatment plan where your skin will look better every single year.”
In this insightful podcast, Trish gets to chat with Dr. Burns, where he shares his secrets about balancing results, safety, and downtime, and matching the most appropriate procedure and treatment plan according to your patient’s expectations and priorities using Sciton’s MJoule and JouleX platforms.
Dr. A. Jay Burns has been named numerous times, as a Best Doctor in Dallas in
D Magazine has been voted by his peers as a Texas Super Doctor, 17 years in a row, since the inception of the award. He is excited to continue serving patients as the sole director of Resurrect Skin M.D., whose mission is “bringing Skin to Life through science, care, and compassion.” Resurrect Skin M.D. encompasses Dr. Burns’ facial surgery practice, as well as his skincare, laser, aesthetic technology, and research center.
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Transcript – Dr Jay Burns (Sciton)  mJoule & JouleX 

Trish

Hello, listeners. It’s Trish Hammond here from the Aesthetics Uncensored Podcast. And today I’m joined by Dr Jay Burns, who’s a Specialist Plastic Surgeon, and he’s all the way from Texas so this is really, really exciting. Now, Dr. Burns is a world leader, researcher, educator and champion for patients who desire non surgical or minimally invasive solutions with reduced downtime. And today, we’re going to be talking to Dr. Burns about the Sciton devices, particularly the MJoule and the JouleX, and how they’ve actually worked in his practice. So welcome, Dr. Burns. 

Dr Burns

It’s good to be here. 

Trish

Thank you so much for taking the time to talk with us today.

Dr Burns

It’s my pleasure. I’ve got a lot of friends down under and I’ve been over there several times to speak and enjoy your food and your hospitality. So I’m hoping some of my friends are listening. I’ve got a lot of great Plastic Surgeons, you got a lot of great Physicians there in Australia so it’s my pleasure to join you.

Trish 

Thank you so much. And so tell me, Sciton we know in the industry, that Sciton is known as the gold standard in technology. But how long have you been working with the Sciton systems? And why Sciton?

Dr Burns 

Yeah, so I’d say that it kind of goes back just a little bit before that 1995 is when a resurfacing was born. It was a co2 laser and it was a meeting in San Francisco and so co2 took off and that lasted the enthusiasm as fast as it was enthusiastic. The momentum kind of tended to die out about five years later, they had some complications, and this and the other and the co2 was fine, but they were looking for a different, they were looking for a different mechanism and so a lot of people in the states here at least gave up on the co2 technology, and went to other things, but I actually kept looking around, which is my modus operandi and I ran into Sciton, I started exploring the Sciton laser, it had a lot of things said about it, like it was superficial or this, that and the other. And which were really true, but really untrue, and I can explain that if you’d like me to but what I found was that when I was exploring, I saw a patient who walked in my office and had an Erbium laser and I called Jim Hobart, who’s the owner of the company and the Chief Engineer and one of the brightest minds for the last, you know, 40 years in lasers and our journey began. And so I realised once I researched it, that it had a lot of great properties and that was for resurfacing. Today we’re going to talk a little bit about more than just resurfacing, you had mentioned the non surgical side, and I’m happy to talk about all of that. But in any way, I have just fallen in love with the product, and the quality that you mentioned and that’s been true since 99. When I jumped on board and I they’re about to retire my laser. It still works from 1999 and they’re gonna retire it and put it in the kind of the Hall of Fame they’re in, in the main Center in Palo Alto in Sciton. And so I’ve gone back well over 20 years and so that’s how I got involved with that time.

Trish 

When I was checking out your website earlier on today and resurrectskinmd.com. I thought, Oh my God, he’s got all the Sciton treatments that he offers. So, because you’ve just recently got the actually, let’s talk in particular about the MJoule and the JouleX. Right, like you’ve pretty much got everything and I’m like, oh, that’s the clinic that I want to go to.

Dr Burns 

Yeah, yeah. So I’ve got a Sciton, the Joule7 which is kind of historic, I’ve got that in an OR, that’s not directly in my building. I’ve got another OR it’s off site so I’ve got that there. So I’ve got a luxury and I’ve had that laser for a long time and it still works great. But I started, I went as we were discussing, like before we went live here, I was the senior partner of the biggest group in the country and for many many years and and still have an appointment at UT Southwestern in Dallas. But now, I’m an old fart and I decided to go out on my own and I just wanted to go and see what I could do because I just love this. I’m a little bit of a unicorn, Trish. I’m a surgeon, but I’m one that recognises that 90% of the aesthetics market is never gonna let me have surgery. And so a lot of my surgical colleagues, I love them, but they’re just, they just would label those patients as crazy and they should go have surgery. Well, that’s not true and so what I want to do is I want them to never leave my office. So the MJoule, the new JouleX platform, which has the BBL HERO, the MOXI, I’ve got all of those there at my office, and we got so busy pretty quickly. I started it a year ago, next week will be one year and I started with the MJoule because I helped, I’ve been fortunate enough to be on the advisory boards for the company and helped develop some of the technology. I’ve done that for a long time with them so I’m a little bit in an ivory tower. But I’m only here honestly, I will tell you I’m only here and I know my colleagues that know me and Australia know that they can trust what I say. I don’t want to meet them in a meeting and say that something doesn’t work. But I’m telling you, I use this every single day we use it. It’s our go to. It’s our standard. It’s what we treat most of our patients because it treats around, the BBL HERO came out and it treats browns and reds, and texture and the things that I was thinking that if we ever got the BBL has always been, in my opinion, the best platform for many, many years has the best power, the best cooling, etc but now, when we did that the HERO, which is a super fast BBL, which the technology on that is so hard because it requires so much energy, and the crystal can get so hot so it has to have incredible cooling and so they figured it all out. I’ve been working on it for three or four years and I just thought if we could ever get it because Australia is a lot like Dallas, right? I mean, there’s a lot of sun and so you get people that for their face, but what about the next chest and arms and legs and so before we had the BBL HERO, which was so fast and effective, it might take an hour and a half for the arms and the legs and it was just it was pretty laborious and so most patients wouldn’t do it so it met all of our needs. It’s been fantastic. You can do a neck and chest and 15 minutes, arms and 15 minutes legs and maybe 20-25 minutes. It’s an amazing technology but what we didn’t know is how effective it would be for the face and you can treat probably 40% more pulses, 40% more energy in half the time and so we’re getting much more effective treatment per session. So the patients love that they can get a much greater return on their investment more quickly. So Trish cut me off if I’m getting out of the fairway. 

Trish

No, no, keep going. This is great. 

Dr Burns

But I love that I’m a Texan first of all, and I love to speak and I’m passionate about the things that I’m passionate about that work really well. So when you say how did it work? The BBL HERO was something we hoped would work, it met our expectations and we killed it. But the MOXI that goes along with it on the MJOulel was a monster surprise and it’s absolutely we don’t know what we would do without our MOXI, it helps people of color. It’s great for pigment. And so we started working on that and it was it became so successful, that I had to purchase a new JouleX to have because we we just both my aestheticians and then I’ve got another aesthetician now and a couple of injectors in my staff, we just needed more machines, and we and it’s actually getting that second MJoule and that the JouleX. I’m a huge proponent of data so all the lasers that Sciton has something called Sciton IQ. So I can tell how many cycles we’re using and so the data pointed that I needed something else and so our business has just as they say up into the right and having both those machines has been a huge, huge boon for us and we use it everyday, day in and day out so that’s the view from 30,000 feet. I know that’s a lot in a short period of time and so if we want to unpack any of that, specifically we can, but that’s how we I mean, that’s how we’ll start I bet it means a lot to our practice.

Trish 

And you know, I love the fact that it’s some like it sounds like you’ve got the complete stop there because like people want to have good quality treatments on their skin and I think more and more these days people are also realising that no matter your skin has to be really good before you do anything anyway, so anyone, most people go through the non invasive way first, but I think I love that it’s like a one stop shop and you’ve got the one coming devices and you use them all for your practice and you can kind of create all the solutions that people want. And this time I saw the BBL HERO in action, I was like what, for the body, two and a half minutes to the whole body, which is actually really quite mind blowing.

Dr Burns  

It’s, it’s actually, you know, always I’ve told people for 27 years that well, I don’t have a magic wand and so I don’t want to ever overhype anything but you know, we’re a lot closer to that magic wand we used to be with regard to, he told me you can treat legs and, eliminate some of the issues you get with most IPL devices, whether it be Sciton or not, you get striping, you get there’s some other things you can get. It was slow, laborious, but with a rolling pattern with the BBL HERO, there’s nothing like it. So you eliminate not not only do you get better treatments, but you do it more safely and you eliminate some of the downsides. And you know, I didn’t really even talk about the JouleX, there’s some other things on there, there’s a YAG laser, you can get whatever you want. There’s also the ProFractional, we used to treat scars, we used to treat the lower eyelids and acne scarring, I have the Contour on there, which I’m known, if I come to Australia, if I come anywhere around the world, wherever that is, they’re going to want me to talk about the deep deep right is their deep wrinkles around the mouth and things like that from the intense sun damage and no, you have it over there. I’ve been there and it just looks just like Allen, just like Dallas so that’s what I’m known for. So I can be very aggressive. You know, I did two today and a facelift associated with that and I couldn’t agree with you more, and most people don’t realise it. But even if they do surgery, we age in four different ways, Trish. We age with gravity, we age with dynamic lands, like my forehead and crow’s feet and then we do but our skin ages. So you take a woman at 70 and you do surgery on them, and you don’t take care of the skin. So what if they look 50 with their skin looking 70? It didn’t help either one of us because it looks weird. I’ve done a good facelift, but it hasn’t. But they say it’s been a bad facelift because the skin doesn’t match the face. So for me, I’m a surgeon but I would tell you that if you could do one thing to somebody whose face is give them useful, beautiful, homogeneous, creamy skin, whatever the skin type, if you started there, they’re going to look younger than if they want to do surgery they can but I’m not going to push them to do that. As you said, I’m just as comfortable doing non surgical, surgical. This is elective procedures, you do what you want to. But the Sciton platform allows you to treat reds, browns, textures, pore size, scars, wrinkles, and I do have the full package and I’ve been doing it for over 20 years.

Trish 

Yeah, right. And so how do you think that patients these days are responding to the way that you’re doing things? Because, I think that this is what people want now, especially with the Zoom boom in us, we’re looking at ourselves all the time, and we really want our faces to look right. I care about my face before I care about my body.

Dr Burns 

Yeah, yeah. Yeah, I agree with that. Well, you’re right about the zoom, then I mean, I keep looking at this neck while on myself and I don’t like it very much but in terms of the scan and everything, I just think our patients are responding beautifully. And like I said, I’ll expand a little bit what I said a minute about the MOXI, but the BBL HERO has been a great improvement because it actually because we’re going so fast, even though we’re putting more energy in and less time, you’re going at a rate of three to four pulses per second so you have to move quickly so even though you’re putting more energy per second, you’re moving faster, so each spot doesn’t get as hot and by the time you get back around and everything so the patient’s experience less pain. We do not put any numbing cream or anything on them for BBL HERO. Now for the MOXI, we do put some numbing cream on but what we found is the thing that’s really been hard for us and for everybody around the world, I’ve been lecturing for a long, long time, and melasma and what’s something called post inflammatory hyperpigmentation. If you’ve got dark skin and you get treated, you can get a little brown discolouration from the trauma and it tends to recur and so the MOXI has really expanded our patients into the group for four and five, the people of some colour and even really into sixes if they get the pH and melasma we can treat those patients now. And Jill Waible is a really good friend of mine. She’s a Sciton user and she is probably one of the leading experts in the world. She had Miami on scarring. She’s in Miami, so she has a ton of Hispanic patients and she has championed the use of the thulium laser, which is the MOXI and with a technique in which we ice it immediately and put on some steroids for just two or three days and that combination, we’re almost never seeing PIH anymore and I just thought I’d never say that it’s back to this kind of holy grail or magic wand kind of thing. So now I can treat the patients of colour which they deserve to be treated and it’s great because we’ve always wanted to, we just haven’t had a safe laser at this point and MOXI really expands that row. On the other hand, as it expands, the BBL HERO expands into the younger crowd, like, my daughter is a 36 year old dermatologist and she gets the BBL HERO. She gets with her Botox, she doesn’t want to get these wrinkles like her dad so she tries to stay ahead of it and so we’re expanding people of colour. We’re expanding a whole younger generation who used to say, when do I need help? And we used to say, well, when you look like you’re getting old? Well, not anymore, because there’s been great, great studies that show that if you get three BBLs a year, Dr. Bitter published this in the Journal of Science, Dermatologic Science at Stanford, a great study and he showed if you do three BBLs a year for three years, you change the actual DNA expression in the skin and I show every single patient that study and then I show he also all of his patients he’s been treated with BBL for a long time, not the HERO until recently but he has patients that have been out 10-12-15 years and I show them picture after picture of patients whose skin looks better 15 years after they started BBL than before you do those two things and I am telling you they should it’s not a manipulative thing. It’s like people come to me asking how do I make my skin look better? Well, look at this, look at this data. Everybody, honestly, I believe everybody should be on three BBLs a year. And in our practice, we have a package where we everybody gets three BBLs a year and if you’re older, we give you the option of having a HALO or a MOXI. The younger patients or people of colour will tend to go with one MOXI and we use three BBLs and further the older patients who want to have a little more wrinkles, they do a HALO and then and then maybe 6 HydraFacials and we bundle that. We call it our skin laugh package here in Dallas but the point is it sells like hotcakes and it’s not because we’re being manipulative or salesy. It’s because if you take care of your skin with HydraFacial, which cleanses it cleans your pores, keeps it healthy, do three BBLs and then maybe add a MOXI if you need it, or a HALO if you need it, I will tell you and just do good sunscreen and some reasonable products. Most people would be amased at how much better their skin looks in short order and then for the long term as well.

Trish 

Yeah. And you know what I love about that, because I’m an avid consumer, that’s like, I have no professional qualifications in this industry whatsoever, except that I’m a professional consumer. The consumers, the patients, that’s what they want, they want to know, like, Okay, this is what you need, you need to come and have this three times a year and you know, we’ll come in then or whatever but that’s actually what they’re screaming out for because how many times you’ve heard of patients, they go and have a treatment, and then you never hear from the clinic again, or you don’t have anything, you know, what can I do next? And once people have had that experience, it’s like, Oh, my God, I want to keep it. What’s the next thing I can do? So I love that and yeah, you mentioned them. I know you’ve coined the term skin to life – I was gonna ask you about that, so how did so tell us again, what it is and how it actually came about?

Dr Burns 

Yeah, well, honestly, I’ve just had more fun in the last year than I mean, and it’s not to knock my old practice or my partners or whatever. But I just, we had a great long run, but I was involved with a company that sold and in that process, I visited about 150 med spas, we sold subscription packages, it worked out really well and tried to give the consumer what they want in subscription modeling and things like that so you could bundle things up. And so I just never really could get off the ground in my old partnership and so this was a great opportunity and so I’ve just been having a blast and so the talking about teaching an old dog new tricks, I didn’t know much about social media. I knew a little but now, you know I can’t live if I don’t have my two live Instagrams a week.

Trish 

I’ve been watching them and they are so good.

Dr Burns 

It’s crazy and I’ve been a little off lately because I got a COVID but I’m totally fine with it now, but we’re picking it back up. But my point is that, I’m trying to, our website’s called skin to life. And I’m just trying to say, we have a culture and I’m really, I learned from all those med spas best practices, and how do you serve people who we started with a culture that makes sense to put our employees first our customers second, there’s a book called customer always comes, customer comes second, but the customer wins, because when they walk in, they see that we’re committed. And we bring skin to life through science, care, and compassion so we use it every day so we have the best technology we serve. And so what I found Trish, was that people came to me sometimes, and they would see this aggressive approach to these deep wrinkles, or I would see the HALO and it’s fantastic but the HALO is meant to be more aggressive than most things not as aggressive as the other. But it won’t get those deep wrinkles, it may not get the deep, deep wrinkles around the eyelids. But yet, maybe all they need is HALO, which is a quick recovery and a great refreshment. So what do we do about that, so I’ll come in with my aesthetician under local and numb that up and maybe do a little contour for those lines and then they get their HALO that they need and may do something to their eyelids. So what we’re trying to do is go deeper, you have to go deep, go superficial, or you have to go superficial, so you heal as quickly as you can. It’s a kinder, gentler approach and it makes sense and it’s not a one size fits all. And I call that HALO skin to life because it’s HALO plus a little bit more so that in one shot, one stop, you can get what you need but you don’t have to have the whole aggressive laser over your whole face, there’s no need for that and likewise, if somebody comes in and they have really bad sun damage, I’ll treat them with a more aggressive laser, the Contour, but where they don’t need it I’ll add a HALO or a ProFractional or something that’s less aggressive and so a lot of this is high tech, what I’m talking about, and the consumers may not know what I’m talking about in total. But what I would say is, is it somebody to me, as you think you mentioned earlier, to have all the the bells and whistles, for you to all the technology, it’s not just about having a marketing plan and having all these toys, it’s having the right equipment to treat all the needs. I joke with my colleagues, when I lecture to them, I say look, I don’t want to, you could say that I’m a surgeon but if they leave my office for anything, there’s a 47% chance the studies show that they’re not coming back to me so I never want them to leave, I want to be able to walk into Resurrect Skin MD, I know about sunscreen, I know about facelifts and everything in between, from browns, red scars, pore size, acne, all of that and Sciton honestly covers the multitude of all of those things. It’s a phenomenal company that makes great lasers, they’re not the cheapest lasers in town but for a geek like me, if you go to Palo Alto and you pop the hood on those on those lasers, you’re going to see God, you’re going to see gold chips, you’re going to see I mean real, I mean, that’s what and that they last my laser is from 1999. I’ve still got that laser and I could use it but like I said, I’m giving it to Jim Hobart to put on display in their office. But they last, they have great service, but you don’t need service as much. I mean, with any technology like that you’re going to need some so I’m not sitting here to blow smoke, but they just have a great service team. They always say they’re a family and I don’t want to seem overly biased because if I mean it’s not I mean, I have other devices in my practice. I’m a scientist, I want to look at everything but I will tell you that I couldn’t live without my Sciton equipment. It’s the bulwark of what we have, what we use for our patients.

Trish  

Yeah, I totally get that and like as a patient, honestly, you want to understand, right? Because if I can’t find what I want at your clinic, I’m going to go somewhere else so when someone offers, like, it is pretty much a complete skin solution, ike that’s where I’m gonna be that’s where you’re gonna go and you’re going to be spending money there all the time, because you want to keep looking good. 

Dr Burns 

So again, let me say one more thing. Let me if I could just, you said something about I just don’t want treatment and I thought well, that’s smart. I meant to follow up on that and what you and I think what you’re saying, is that used to back in 95. There weren’t many of us, right? So the dermabrasion machine came out and everybody thought that was amazing before we had any lasers and so I made a lot of money. Everybody came, everybody got a dermabrasion, IPL came back, there was no other thing. Everybody got an IPL. Well, the point is, we have all these technologies now that can treat acne and pores and browns and reds and whatever, I don’t want to sell you a treatment anymore, I want to sell you, I want to do a comprehensive skincare analysis, show you what you have, and sell you a long term comprehensive treatment plan where your skin will look better every single year. And that’s possible. It’s like going to the gym once or twice a month expecting to look different, you’re going to have to do it’s a long obedience in the same direction. So if you’ll stay with a plan, I’ll try to make sense and then stay with me because you can’t be in better shape. If you go to the gym sporadically and you can’t have your skin looking great all the time. If you just treat it hit and miss after a long vacation in Cabo or forever with a bit of sun. Does that make sense?

Trish   

Yeah, yeah, totally. I totally relate to that. It just makes so much sense on so many levels, because that’s exactly what I’d be looking for and we all know that I can’t remember what the stat is but it costs 12 times more to get a new client. It does to, you know?

Dr Burns 

To maintain a patient, yeah exactly. And that’s us to a tee we want to maintain, serve, I’m trying to figure out ways to always tell my girls and my staff or I mean, it could be guys, but they happen to be all women and they’re fantastically qualified and so they’re my staff and and I always tell them, I give them permission to be unreasonable. Be unreasonable in the way you serve people, be unreasonable in your expectations for a quality result. I want the patients who come in and we treat them to talk about us the next day at their lunch and say you got to go see this place because they have massage chairs for their numbing machines and they have the best lasers and I’ve never seen a place where it didn’t hurt when they did the BBL HERO because they’ve got the new HERO and they can treat my PH for the MOXI and they can combine them and get the because we can combine all that now we’re some of our most probably in most patients. Were so comfortable with it. We combined BBL HERO and MOXI or HALO and MOXI. And we’re just seeing we’re trying to give them more for the bang. If they’re there for 45 minutes to an hour, let’s combine these treatments, and give them a real bang for their buck because most people are busy and they want to get the most they can out of every visit.

Trish  

Yeah, and they don’t want to look  elsewhere. They actually want you to give them all of their solutions that they don’t want to have to go to you for this and then for something else, they actually just want to go to you really.

Dr Burns   

Well that we try to provide that for him. I don’t want to go anywhere else. So you bet.

Trish

Yeah, of course. And tell me so I won’t keep you for much longer. But I wanted to ask you, what are your top tips for resurfacing these days when patients are looking for more 

non invasive procedures? Just for patients now?

Dr Burns  

Yep. So you’re saying for? So what are my top tips for a patient? And let’s say I want to make sure I understand your question. Let’s say somebody that’s never been exposed to it, or you’re talking about somebody that has when you say resurfacing, I’ll sometimes interpret that as the more aggressive resurfacing for the deep lines. But can you help me?

Trish

So I guess someone who likes for example, I’ve got a lot of friends who have got like, the sun damage on their chest, and all, and I actually realised that you could fix this, I sort of thought that once that was done, it was done until I discovered the BBL and then the BBL HERO, actually, so I didn’t know that. All that stuff can be repaired and I have seen those pictures that you’re talking about where people have BBL after BBL on year after year after year, their skin looks better. Right? You know, I’m kind of thinking so for someone who’s kind of may have been here and there and everywhere but what would be your top tips for someone who thinks I want to fix my skin? Oh, I want to do it the non invasive way. Like what would you like, where’s your first step? Or what’s a couple of tips that you could give them?

Dr Burns

I would just say one thing to echo the problem, right? Because as I told you, I don’t really have time to navigate social media. I do lives, I’m gonna we’re just about ready to open up our YouTube channel and so we want to deliver the energy but I just don’t have enough time to sort it out. But sometimes, like, probably a month or two ago, I just got caught up in a kind of surfing, a little bit and I thought how in the world would a patient ever navigate, where to go, because everybody says they’re the best and some of the lasers, I saw, in fact, most of the lasers and devices I saw, were poor quality and not first line at all. So there’s no way a patient can know that so what I would say is, I would look for someone that has experienced someone that has, I’m not I know, it seems self serving because of our podcast tonight, but somebody that has great equipment, and you can’t go wrong with Sciton and so somebody that has Sciton platform, I’m telling you, they’ve spent some money on it and it’s a quality product and they’re committed to that and so I would want and then, the other thing that I would do is I would go in and get a comfort level, somebody that’s going to analyse their skin, give them a long term treatment plan, not just a quick hit and someone that you can tell when someone knows what they’re talking about and then look at before and after pictures, and not just not just the stock photos from the company, the company has a lot of my photos, because I send them in because I do a lot of those. But when I show my patients, I want my patients to see that these are my results so take somebody that’s qualified, that has good equipment that can show you before and afters that come out of their clinic, not just from people all over the world that’s cherry picked and I think that’ll narrow it down and they’re not going to find that on every street corner. But they’re out there people that are committed and, and Sciton selling is having the best year of their career and so I’m happy about that, because good equipment will go out there, I want people, this is a huge pie and there’s plenty of room for all of us so I train people every other month for Sciton. They come in and we train them on everything from Contour to ProFractional to the YAG lasers to treating veins on their face and their legs and skin tightening and in everything that Sciton offers. We have those preceptorships and I’m not the only one so Sciton is dedicated to training. So when you’re looking at a patient, just look for somebody quality qualified, go talk to them, long term, long term treatment plan, not just a quick fix and that’s probably that, is that enough. Does that sound make sense? 

Trish

Yeah, no, that’s exactly, and it’s so funny because it’s so similar to even when you’re just looking for a Plastic Surgeon do surgery, same thing, make sure they’re qualified, make sure they’ve got the tools to do on and make sure that they’ve done lots of the same procedure, and you can see them.

Dr Burns 

Right, right. I agree with that. I almost said, if I was looking for a Surgeon, I would have added board surgery qualified, but I’m trying to be open to the fact that with laser surgery and non surgical things. You know, there’s a lot of people I’ve met, I don’t know what the rules are in Australia but I was President of the American Society of Lasers and Medicine and Surgery and I had to put on a hat for all specialties. And so what I found was, if the person’s got great training, and they’re totally committed, and then I’ve seen people do some great work that would fit all the criteria I just mentioned and so but but if you switch it over to surgery, now, I think you’re going to have a higher odds of hitting a homerun with those to add to that, that they’re board certified.

Trish 

Yep, I totally agree with you 100% in the US. It’s very murky around here in Australia with all this stuff going on. But yeah, I agree with you, 100%. Thanks so much. I think I’ve asked all the questions that I want, like, I know that you’re all about balancing results, safety and downtime and matching the most appropriate procedure and treatment plan according to your patient’s expectations and priorities. So it’s really nice to get that little bit of an insight to share with our listeners as well. So yeah, thank you so much.

Dr Burns  

Great. I hope it’s been helpful. It’s been fun for me. And hopefully, I’ll see all you guys in person when they say and I’d love that.

Trish

Also, and thank you so much for joining us and listeners do look, if you do want to find out more about Sciton, you can just go to the Sciton website, which is sciton.com.au You can check out Dr. Burns’s website as well, which is resurrectskinmd.com and he’s got a whole bunch of stuff on there and if you want to follow him on Instagram as well, he does the best lives. I’ve been watching him most of the morning so I know you before I’ve even spoken to you. Thank you so much. Much appreciate it. Have a great day.

Dr Burns 

Welcome. Take care. Bye! 

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