Dr Steven Liew on Aesthetics 2022 (A22)

Nicole and I were so excited and very privileged to speak with Dr Steven Liew this week, about the A22 conference happening 5-7 August at the Hilton Hotel in Sydney. This is going to be an event like no other!
The theme of this year’s event is “Opening Your Eyes”. The two-and-a-half-day program aims to challenge the status quo by questioning outdated beliefs and practices. These challenges will be offset by providing new frameworks to embrace bold ideas on how the aesthetics industry can be both better and safer for industry professionals – and of course, patients.
Dr Steven Liew shares with that the 2022 event promises to build on its success established at the inaugural 2019 event, by continuing to provide an educational platform that is always, engaging, current, practical and honest.
Dr Liew believes that by collectively sharing industry practices, insights, expertise and exciting new ideas can only benefit the entire sector as a whole and that means every practitioner and patient.
“We need to build knowledge across our industry regardless of our backgrounds – so that we can continue to grow and advance together.”
You’ll love today’s podcast, enjoy!
@aestheticsau @shapeclinic.au @liewlift

Transcript – Dr Steven Liew on Aesthetics Conferences 2022 (called A22)NicWelcome to Aesthetics Uncensored Episode number 37. With your host the well renowned and revered Ms Trish Hammond, myself Nicole Montgomery joining today and our special guests drumroll please, Dr. Steven Liew – Shape Clinic’s Founder and Medical Director. Dr. Liew is Australia’s leading next generation Plastic Surgeon and global leader in facial enhancement techniques. The first Australian to be admitted as a fellow in Plastic Surgery at the world-renowned Memorial Sloan-Kettering Medical Centre in New York. Dr. Liew made his mark early in his career, specialising in facial and breast aesthetic surgery. Dr. Liew has continued to specialise in face and breast surgery in Sydney but such is his passion for delivering more beautiful and natural-looking results for his patients. He has also developed a series of world-first nonsurgical procedures which have earned him an international reputation. These pioneering techniques to reshape and dramatically transform facial shapes and features have revolutionised the cosmetic industry. Dr. Liew’s non surgical procedure to reshape and transform the misshapen or square-shaped lower face and jaw line to a more beautiful feminine shape was the first in his series, a break of breakthrough procedures. Angle of Beauty – an article titled Angle of Beauty was featured in Elle magazine in New York City in 2009. Along with the Dermatological Times in the United States of America, he went on to develop procedures to perform eye neck and face lifts as well as lower jaw reshaping and gummy smile correction or without surgery. Absolutely incredible. The Liew lift, a global beauty template #LiewLift to aid both Plastic Surgeons and Cosmetic Physicians and nurses on how to achieve the best results for patients. Dr. Liew has also developed the loop international face template, which in an article featured concepts of beauty in the Dermatological Times also in the United States. A global beauty template, the Liew lift is fast being adopted as a universal standard for measuring tools for modern facial enhancement procedures, surgical and non surgical around the world. Dr. Liew is a Principal and Medical Director of Shape Clinic. He is also a consultant Plastic Surgeon at St. Vincent’s Private Hospitals and prestigious St Vincent’s Clinic and performs the full range of plastic and cosmetic surgery procedures. Dr. Liew’s credentials include but are not limited to a member of the Australian Society of Plastic Surgeons. The Australasian Society of Aesthetic Plastic Surgeons, a Fellow of the Royal Australasian College of Surgeons and medical advice. He is a member of the Medical Advisory Committee for Allergan, Australia, Asia and the United States of America. He is an advanced trainer for Allergan. He is on the Board of Medical Advisory Committee for Galderma globally. He is a trainer for Galderma and Allergan for advanced injection technique of fillers and anti wrinkle injections. He is a chairman and consultant for the facial aesthetic Council of Japan. Dr. Liew is known for his personality. For his rebelliousness, he likes to go against the grain, he travels a path less followed. He is an everyday person who wouldn’t know is a Specialist Plastic Surgeon if you’ve met him in the street. Yet if you meet him in a theatre environment, he certainly takes charge and has an air of importance and is well known for being the epitome of a team leader and also a member of the team. He’s liked by all and of course, was the founder of Aesthetics 2019, which was hugely successful, and one of the best conferences ever known to the Australian aesthetic industry. He has spoken at nearly every conference I’ve been to and most people have been to and has always been renowned as the best speaker, or one of the best speakers at any conference. He performs procedures live. He’s relaxed. He’s cool as a cucumber. He is Dr. Steven Liew. Welcome to Aesthetics Uncensored, Dr. Liew and please, drumroll to tell us all about Aesthetics 2022. Let’s get down and dirty strap yourself in because Dr. Liew is now going to open our eyes to Aesthetics 2022.

Dr Liew

Thank you very much, Trish, thank you, Nicole. Gosh, I am quite, I’m a little bit blush, if you can see me with that introduction. Yes, Aesthetics 22 or A22, we call it now because it’s pretty mouthful, A22 sounds a little bit more modern, easier so we will hold that this year in August, the fifth to the seventh, it’s going to be a two and a half days of jam pack edutainment. Now, it’s very important, we think of entertainment because the main reason aesthetics conference started is because I as someone who present a lot in conferences, as well as attending a lot of conferences as an attendee, I think I speak for a lot of the attendees out there that we sometimes get bored in a lot of a conference because after a while, it’s almost like predictable things are become predictable, things being rehearsed so many times to a point that you spend through two and a half days and then maybe you sort of maybe if you’re lucky, learn one thing. I think for me, that’s the reason that I started Aesthetics 2019. I want to have something that is short and punchy so because our attention span is getting shorter and shorter, just focus on something that is the core value to us, as a non surgical practitioner, that’s something we can easily adopt and adapt and practice. In our practice the next day, I think that’s very, very important. The second thing is, it cannot be boring. If attending a conference is boring, it is probably the convenience for because convenient is simply just taking in what everyone wants to talk about, and not sort of think well hang on, there’s got to be too much repetition in here. I mean, go to any conference. Most of us actually, after 10 minutes, being polite, and listening, we go to our phones, because they probably make a lot more entertainment value coming from that’s the main reason why I started it. So back to A22 is going to be another two and a half days of jam packed information full of some entertainment where the information is being packaged to deliver to the audience in a piecemeal fashion in a very user friendly fashion so that no one has the time to pick up the phone. No one has the time to actually want to go to the toilet. No one will actually want to actually say Oh, tomorrow, I’m gonna just go to do some shopping in Sydney. I want the audience to have this FOMO experience because that’s a reason why I intentionally not announcing the great details of the conference. Think of going to a concert, think of your favourite band, you go there, you actually not going to know what song is going to play next, you just know that it’s going to be jam packed of those things that will entertain. That’s why I want the conference to be about you knowing that every single thing that I’m going to pack will be something that you may find very, very useful, or it could be a completely new thing for you. So it’s a combination of how we deliver it, the entertainment value, and more importantly, the practicality of the information we’re going to give you so that you find the two and a half days well with the money. More importantly, well was the time for you to spend with us.

Trish

Today that’s so lucky, that’s so true. What you’re saying is when as you were talking us through what they’re like and you’re saying no, you’re excited then you know, 10 minutes later you pick up your phone, it’s so true because it does become quite repetitive and it is the same information disseminated in the same way, but just on a different day maybe shuffled around a bit. 

Nic

Steven, I want to know how you’re going to top Zumba and the incredible panellists that you had at the last opening your eyes conference, your inaugural conference and then of course we had COVID, it was unbelievable. It was next level. We were shocked when we arrived at the gala dinner and found a lady with all of the champagne glasses in her skirt. And as usual, it was a shock just to arrive and, and smell the ambience before you ever walked into the conference from day one. And then of course, obviously the international speakers and the people we could get selfies with and the fact that we had wristbands and other people didn’t, and it was sold out. And of course, the FOMO. How are you going to talk about that?

Dr Liew

Oh, well, you guys just have to attend it to find out? Well, we don’t forget, I’ve had and we all do, we had two years to think about this, with the COVID. During the lockdown, I did have a lot of time to reflect on what we did in 2019 and of course, we’re all sick of the Zoom webinar, haven’t we? I realised that during the webinar, for a successful educational event, you need to change once more. So we need to adapt to something that’s new. In webinars, we realise that or zoom in, we realise that the lectures that we tend to deliver in 15 to 20 minutes, we have to do it in five to 10 minutes. So what does it tell you, it tells you that there’s a lot of sort of fluff in that place and that’s why with every single fluff that you give, what are we going to do, we’re going to look at the phone, we’re going to do something else so you can’t be fluffy. So we have changed, we really learn from that. So the information we’re going to deliver, it’s going to be even more punchy and succinct. It’s got to be everything, every single thing I want to care about well, whether it’s local or international delivery, it has to be useful information. And people call me a lot of things, but they realise that I’m fairly tough and very serious when we want to deliver something useful. So my instruction to them is to listen to whatever you give me that is close to being delivered in less than 10 minutes and that information that is going to be useful for your audience is not going to be useful for you to show how good you are. Because at the end of the day, when you’re standing on the podium, yes, of course, people want to take selfies with you, not because of what you can do, it is what you can actually impart that information to those people who want to learn from you. I think if the lecturer can think that way, then they reach a status that all of us will be so admirable and so grateful for what they’re doing. Because when you audio, when you are lecturing, you’re actually sharing information with us. You’re not being hired there to actually showcase how good you are. You know, we’ve seen that a lot where some lectures just showcase every single thing, but really not showing you how to achieve that stage. That’s not what we want as Aesthetics 22, they will not be invited because I scrutinise every lecture, every have this PowerPoint presentation before I approve or not approve for the thing so I know I spent a lot of time doing all those just to deliver the next level. But there’s something different. Are any of you  a Game of Thrones fan? Yes. Yeah. So in the last two seasons of Game of Thrones, they have this thing called the throne cast. Right. So every episode did the SEC, they might even have one of the actors in there, together with at least an audience that goes through every single part. Now, we are going to have not the throne cast, we’re going to have the Aesthetic cast about eight weeks after the major conference so that we can reinforce the learning because a lot of times you go to a conference, you see it you think is a good idea. Three weeks later, when you want to replicate that particular technique. You may not remember the ins and outs of it. I mean, how can you because you put so much into it? So what we want is we want to do something, this will be the world first where we want the audience to vote at the end of the conference to showcase what it is that they want to watch again. So what we will do is we’ll cherry pick certain bits and pieces packages, we want to showcase, we want to invite the KOL, same KOL to the aesthetic class where we will ask them questions. We will show the footage again in detail and the SEC, every single thing in great detail so that the audience can watch it again, reinforce their learning, and get them the opportunity to ask the question that we may not have time to answer, or they may have been too embarrassed to call, to remember to us again so I think this will be another level of learning. 

And more importantly, as I say, really, really put the money where your mouth is to showcase what is the real result, eight weeks after the main event, then no one can hide it, just say, hey, really, there’s a complication here. What happens to us many times when you’re a KOL from overseas, you just do your injection, you think you cannot do well and then there’s a complication, and no one is notified. So this is another way of putting checks and balances and saying, Hey, you say to us that this is great. Not gonna be any problem, but there’s a problem. How do we deal with it? 

Nic

Yeah. So what I think is really fantastic. Sorry, Trish, um, is that when we went to obviously the first Aesthetics 2019, we thought, is this going to be the Steven Liew show, and you are a huge drawcard. Everybody knows who you are, everybody wants to hear. And quite frankly, we could have the Steven Liew show where it is nothing but you and everybody would be very happy but it was quite the opposite. In fact, it was the opposite. We had Arthur Swift, we had nurses, I don’t think I’ve ever been to a conference where so many nurses and trainers have been put up on pedestals, and given the opportunity, a platform to really share their expertise and experience, which is incredible. And you know, everybody who, I guess in this industry, may be understated or maybe not as well recognised as they should be for their skill and their talent were the people who were at the centre stage and that was a huge credit to you. Yeah, that’d be the same again this year.

Dr Liew 

Yeah. Well, don’t forget, we have not moved away to the main core of the words, the word the ethos of aesthetics, that is, the word together is very important, is to learn to share to advance together. Now, I have learned one of the best techniques from anyone I’ve learned from the nurses have learned from Cosmetic Physicians have learned from Surgeons to learn from Dermatologists so this is a platform for all of those mentioned above, to where they’ve never been recognised. So to share with us and the rest of the attendees, what is it that we can actually do together to advance so yes, it will be the same you will have a Dermatologist, you would have your this year, we have a Dental Surgeon, Dr. Lee Walker, who will be here too, right so this is together now where we practice what we preach, we have Dermatologist, we have Plastic Surgeon, we have Cosmetic Physician, we have nurses, and we have a Dental Surgeon with us to actually showcase how we can actually do things better because this non surgical is unusual practice. Because there is no such thing as a pure specialty not as yet. 

Nic

Are you going against the hierarchy though the statement, there is hierarchy of the Surgeons, the nurse and and you go against that hierarchy?

Dr Liew 

You know that people who know me know that I’m a rebel. I’m a rebel. I’m an anti establishment now, which can be good and bad, but I am who I am. But it is the truth. Right? It is true with this industry, it’s time to actually shake it up a little bit. Now, I was criticised left right and centre behind the scene of course, but you know, because we got used to a certain society wanting to do it this way, non surgical specialty is such a specialty that it does not matter whether you have a certain degree behind you at the end of the day. It’s got to do with your ability, your aesthetic eyes.

Trish

Yes, yeah.

Dr Liew 

And just because you have a certain thing, titles behind you, it doesn’t actually guarantee that you will have aesthetic eyes so that’s why this is a very fascinating, fascinating field. So you guys may not have remembered that there was No Name Badge Aesthetic 2019 Yeah, right. So that was something different. So, wristbands, yes, this year, we will have a name badge, because if you’re like me, I’m with names, there was one segment where I couldn’t even remember the name of my patient. Just fear that was caught, it was caught live on camera, that was quite embarrassing. So we went on, of course, it’s going to be hands on, right, if you do  this is a very practical conference so in a steady clean idea, we treated 34 patients. I think we’ve made 34 this year, or probably about between 36 to 40 cases of individuals. So the other differences, we now go into extending other areas of devices, as well as cosmeceutical so that was 2019, was the legal test run. So I’ve enlisted to have my great dermatology colleagues, Associate Professor Philip Bekhor, as well as Dr. Davin Lim, they’re been assisting me in the device section and the schemes section, my brief in the Derm is still the same. Each time I go to a conference and listen to some Dermatologists giving me some laser thing, they will once again put me to sleep after two minutes, because all they’ve done is extremely technical, and showcase you 60 before and after like these days so for me, it’s very easy. So the best way to do that is to cut your time to six to eight minutes and give me something that is so valuable because they found mentally forgot one thing: most of the audience are not Dermatologists, we’re not as geeky and what we want to know is which are the device I should purchase. And if I purchase, what other way I can use it, to get the result I want, I may not necessarily want to treat those extremely rare, complicated cases and under Dermatologist, I do want to treat the common thing very well and optimal result and safety. So that’s the brief to them is once again is because if you are Dermatologists, you probably will not want to purchase something that is, you know, for what I am using as a Plastic Surgeon or as a nurse or as a Physician, you may want to treat certain things that I refer to, as I want to treat things that I see commonly that I know I can treat them well. So that’s going to be a very, very interesting event so that’s one part for devices going through.

Trish

Oh, I was just gonna say I can’t believe and I’ve been dying for the one thing that really stands out for me is it with the whole thing, it’s actually almost like by with what you’re doing, you’re actually creating a community that isn’t out there at the moment and hasn’t been since forever that I’ve known about the industry, which is nine years ago, but your which is solely focused on what the industry is all about, which is exactly what you said, which is aesthetics, because you need to have that aesthetic eye to be able to do the aesthetic thing. And just because you’ve got this qualification, that qualification, you may not have that aesthetic eye that would just make you not understand your certain part of it or whatever. So I love that was the one thing that I wanted to say and I just love that. And the other thing is, you’re absolutely right. Because if you’re like that type of Specialist, you need to be using the sort of thing that’s going to work in your industry to achieve what you want and you’re the only one that’s an hour if you know the person in that industry.

Dr Liew

So I think the attendees will sort of get a lot of useful tips and information on those devices and how we are going to, I guess, introduce those devices to the audience. Of course, I think Nicole mentioned dancing, of course it’s going to be dancing and then and this year. People may not know that Professor Bekhor is a professional dancer so we’re gonna see him on stage, showing us the final robots. But I do have a few others that you may not know have those hidden talents so we go to see a bit of Latino dance, we’re going to see a little bit of maybe even Kpop those sorts of things so I think it’d be something for everyone just to keep everyone on their toes.

Trish

And it’s true, just because you’re a great aesthetic practitioner, people might not know that you might actually be a fantastic pole dancer, or something like that. So like, those hidden secrets thing.

Dr Liew  

Because if we believe in wanting to create a community, it is time to actually show to you that we have not seen, and I would like them to share with us those hidden talents. And that’s why if you look at the Instagram, what we portray how we introduce international speakers, the first way of introducing them is for them to do some quirky movement that is, with no audio to be to sort of give us an idea of what they like behind the scene, what is the true self behind that serious facade, because every one of us do have that side of it. So, I think whoever will follow Instagram on @aestheticsau will actually start to see this is the month we’re going to introduce the speakers. 

Trish

Yeah. Amazing. I am so excited. You absolutely know how to get us excited about it, for sure. We went last year, and there’s no doubt about it. Like I would not have been to as many conferences of you guys, but this was something else. It was like, it was just amazing to be included in it, and being there like it was absolutely phenomenal. So I can’t even imagine, you know what this one’s gonna be.

Nic

I still have my T-shirt. But I’d love to ask you a very serious question, Steven. Sure. Being a Specialist Plastic Surgeon, you can and probably, I’m sure make a very lucrative money, operating it one day, a week, possibly two days a week or you know, few days a month or whatever it is that you choose. Why do you have such a passion and why do you spend so much time and energy in nonsurgical?

Dr Liew 

Good, very, I think you may have asked or someone asked me the same questions again. I finished my fellowship, I finished my training in 1999, I believe, a long, long time ago, I finished my plastic surgery qualification in Australia. I did two years of fellowship in New York. As a Plastic Surgeon came back to Australia in 2001. I realised that was the infancy of facial injectables. Things were done in a very basic and simple way that didn’t really interest me that much until new fillers came out and just to put things in perspective, for the younger generation, the first modern filler hyaluronic acid filler came out to the world in 1996. Since then, it has revolutionised what we have seen nowadays. So with the new fillers came up around 2019-2020, it sort of fell upon me that hey, we can actually do something a lot more than just lines and wrinkles, that’s how it fascinated me. Don’t forget prior to the fillers, we’re doing everything with fat grafting. So we know the amazing thing we can do fat grafting at that stage becomes more popular now but that was a bit that sort of changed my thinking. If I want to be a modern Plastic Surgeon specialising in aesthetics procedure, I need to understand those tools. It just so happened I love it so much and it sort of pays off to be at that stage because during that period is truly the Renaissance. There were no rules, there was no template, we sort of played around with it, and came up with a few ideas. My colleagues and I set the scene so to speak, to do the things that we’re doing now. We’re still doing it now. We perfected it. We make it a safer way combined with anatomy, but the basic way of doing it is still exactly the same, how good is it? So for me, it’s a win-win situation, I can do a facelift for my patient, I can do fillers to maintain their requirements, which is what is the norm nowadays so that’s how I started. So for now, I still do two and a half days of surgery a week, I do one full day of injections a week. Guess now I’ve been doing this for 22 years now, I’ve always been interested in the field of education but people who know me also know that I am very restless, I get bored easily. Unless I have 20 things happening in my life. You know, I’m just one of those that get bored easily so that’s why education sort of come into mind because I was bored with the education scene that I was involved with, where things aren’t same same say, you walk, you know, this is going to be morning to not it’ll be lectures, lectures, lectures, lectures, lectures, right? Same thing, no medicine small or big. So I thought I want to consolidate that, change it and move to the next thing, where there will be lectures, not a lot. The lectures have to be specially curated. It has to be not the same. I never want the same slide repeated in my conference. That’s the guarantee because I scrutinise everything and then the panel discussion is very important and I’m a top moderator and some colleagues are fearful of me asking a question for me. It’s just asking the obvious, I see myself. It’s something that I represent the junior audience, the junior audience doesn’t know what to ask. They had an experience to distract, what is factual? And what is BS? There’s a lot of BS out there, right? We’ve seen it more so I see it as my role to ask the question to challenge the KOL no matter how well known they are, so that we all come together and agree that it is factual. Otherwise, if you’re not experienced, you blindly follow what people want, you’ve heard, you will get complications and you will be disappointed. I have been there when I was a junior once and I thought if I can help others, the more junior one to actually go through this minefield of information. Just point out the factual one simple to most complex, and make it factual so that everyone can progress at the same rate.

Trish 

Before we got disconnected, you’re talking about, now, you were saying that, like, people go to a conference, and then they go back and they don’t actually put anything in practice? Because when did they actually do it? And you’re going to introduce that? You know, we asked the question of what they want, and stuff like that. So I love that for the simple reason that I mean, I’m not a practitioner, but you can actually realistically walk away from the conference and actually, within days start to actually do and, and not just do what you learn them, because if anyone’s like me, like, I’ll go learn. I’m like, oh, yeah, it’s great and then I’ll walk over what was that about? You won’t remember and you may remember some things to get something wrong so it’s a really great way to enforce that learning straightaway after it’s been learned.

Dr Liew

So that’s the aesthetic past. All right? Well, first, I’m gonna repeat it three times now. Because it’s the same thing. A lot of things that I’m introduced, happens to me, and I’m sure it happens to a lot of my colleagues. So I’m trying to actually say, what can we do about it, but reinforce that learning? Show them again, because we do have the digital technology and make it even more fun, that those KOLs are involved. So when we get together, we can ask the same question or tougher questions to them again, so that they can actually share with us the polls that we may not have time to do so that’s aesthetic costs. So that hopefully answers to you Nicole, how are we going to be Aesthetics 2019, then we’re gonna beat it pretty well. Easily.

Trish

I was so excited. So tell us so, where is it? Do we know where it is? 

Dr Liew

Yeah, we will. Yeah, they will be at the Hilton. It will be at the Hilton Hotel in Sydney and it will be August and I just want to make sure it’s August, the fifth to the seventh.

Nic 

Can we wear our T-shirts from 2019?

Dr Liew

No, you can’t wear the T-shirts from 2019 and of course, we’re not going to stop you. We might have something slightly different and all this stuff. I also have another surprise for you. I think some of the attendees, we’ve decided to also run an injectors’ anatomy workshop with live cadaver dissection on the fourth, with a very, very intimate number of attendees through various pharmaceutical companies, the unique differences are not just going to be the same dissection issue. I mean, once again, I’m speaking from personal experience having been involved with other conferences where I see the sector is just showing anatomies. But showing anatomy to me, it’s almost like reading, looking through an anatomy textbook, that is just anatomy. How do you apply it? So for me, it’s more relevant, if we can have the attendee standing there for us to ask a question like, well, when you put the needle through the chip at this point, where is it? The tip of your needle? And where should you put the product? Not any just random names we want you to memorise because, once again, it is useless to me if you just know the name. But why do we put it there is the most important thing. Where is it? So that’s what every sector in the workshop, we’ll have to demonstrate to the attendees. Each attendees, in each station will have 10 objectives they must learn and the sector’s responsibility is to prove it to them, they fully understand it. Otherwise, we will not invite those sectors back. It’s almost like a review, we centre, we review the attendees, the attendees have the chance to give us feedback of the particular dissection. But more importantly, at the end of that three or four hours, all the attendees will come to the last station, where they will have a quiz on the things that they have learned. From the afternoon, they will be invited back to a certain room where they will be a certain KOL demonstrating product placement based on the anatomy they have. So you see how we want to start up the morning with pure anatomy, pure use for anatomies, why do we put the product in a certain plane? Where is it? What is the problem, if you don’t? Then in the afternoon we want to demonstrate exactly that but in the live patients. 

Trish

You know, it’s so easy to say that because I’ve always wondered what it’s like, I’m not a professional at all, but because I recently like I had injectables once and she did a fanning thing around my lip. And I was like, Where does that go? Like how far does it go? And I thought that was just because I’m not a professional how would I know. But I guess how would someone know how unless they’ve seen it on the inside where it would go. So that would be really exciting to watch or to learn.

Dr Liew

Yeah, so for instance, we want to, I mean, in Australia with no lips is the most popular and a lot of time you will hear patients say my injectors say my product has moved. Now, I’m always sort of behind the mask. No one can see this sort of smirk because the product does move, not because it has legs, it says we probably placed it in an area that encouraged them to be shifted in other areas. So what I want the attendees to learn from the anatomy dissection is why would the product move from here to the end if there’s a reason how do we avoid them through the anatomy? So next time they actually do it, they said oh, I know not to do that, will I be able to definitely move because this part and that part is a continuous pathway so for it not to move, why don’t you put it in a slightly different spot.

Nic

Such an incredible opportunity for someone to be able to look and feel touch and I have not had fillers since maybe 2015 because I actually had tear trough fillers and I feel that I have quite deep tear troughs and children and was up all night and so tired all the time and was really conscious of my eyes. It felt like they were moving to the back of my head and the filler actually moved and it was literally like because if I had two pillows, and you could touch my tear trough off and bounce, the puffiness, which I didn’t have before, and and I had to actually get it dissolved. So it had the opposite effect rather than being life changing and making me feel like I hadn’t had children and hadn’t slept for so many years or months, it had the opposite effect and made me feel really conscious that everybody’s looking at these sort of random pockets of fluid that I had under my arm.

Dr Liew 

So it’s a very interesting topic again, because suddenly, what you have just shared with us is not new, a lot of our patients experienced the same thing. So back to how do we avoid those things? So there will be a lot of polling. Now, we love polling, we want to see what the audience is experiencing. And through the polling, we’re going to address those issues, either myself, or to some of the KOL and the eyelid is certainly one of the other things, or the complication segment is certainly not a bit. There are so many things that I love to share but you know, I can’t give away everything. It’s something that I want to keep the suspense and all this stuff.

Trish

Yeah. You know, and I’m liking it. I don’t I don’t know if I’m right or wrong, but I’m liking it. You know, like, there’s when you say that fillers and injectables have been out since 1999. To me, I thought, it’s it to me, it’s something new, I thought it was only years, I had no idea that there was even or anything like that, until 2013, or whatever it was, before that I had no idea. And so it sounds like for say, for example, as a Surgeon doing breast augmentation, like when it first happened, it was just the one procedure wasn’t it, I’m just guessing you just kind of, do the slit, put the implant in and so what happened that, and I think that’s what like, it’s almost like, when people you do injectables, and that’s what you learn is there’s one way to learn, but this is a way of like broadening your knowledge, like when you go to university, and you learn a degree, but the old teachers school used to actually go to, or nurses, they used to do what it wasn’t a degree at one stage you actually learnt on like, like trade school. So this is like the trade school for the great, I don’t know if that probably sounds right.

Dr Liew  

So you actually are right, so think of Aesthetics 2022 as fast track everything. So you may be one of those who have done this technique, you’ve learned this technique, you’ve mastered this technique, what we want to show you is maybe there’s another way, you can do the same thing but better, safer, or maybe require less product and less long term complication. So for instance, let’s talk about an area that has been popular for a long time, the tempo. What we want to do is a one live injection segment of the tempo. We want to show you five different ways of doing it right, one after another, so that you can say, Well, okay, I never thought of that technique. I’ve seen it now and when we do go. We also want to discuss why certain techniques are better for certain patients, rather than doing the same for everyone. So those are, I guess, the things that people who have never attended Aesthetics 2019. Before, we actually had the option to say this is the main difference, not just one way of doing it. I’m giving you five different possible ways of doing one thing, and you as the audience. Well, that is way too complex for me that maybe I can try a new one. But I don’t think there are any places in the world. If I can claim so myself that you can actually learn those techniques in one session. One hour you see five different ways done by five well known injectors in one setting.

Nic

Steven, I think there’s no doubt that Aesthetics 2022 is going to be a huge sell out. There’s going to be a long wait list and it is certainly going to be an opportunity not to be missed by any professional. But one of the things that I’d love for you to share and this is digressing again, away from the conference, but there’s something special and unique about you that makes you have this huge likability and that is that people feel comfortable with you. We feel like you’re one of us. We don’t feel like you’re 100 generations of doctors who have been born into this huge lifestyle of privilege. And I guess you just feel normal and you feel like an everyday person and that we can just divulge our inner secrets to you and, and not feel judged and I know and that’s why I want to ask you and what you just share that there’s a reason for that because you haven’t actually always had everything handed to you on a silver platter and I’d love for you to share how it is that you came to where you are today.

Trish

I love this story. I’m so glad you asked.

Dr Liew

Yeah, well, well, I’m just like, I guess I’m just an ordinary individual. Kind of quite lucky, in a way, because most people do not know that I came from a very humble, I’m still a very humble person. I come from a very humble beginning, I grew up in a very, very small village in Malaysia. I was told that I have to go to Australia to have more opportunities because that was ours, I grew up there’s really not much, basically, it’s a remote jungle. So cut the story short, I got a scholarship to Australia at the age of 16 and a half, I have to learn this new world, new culture, new language and everything. So yeah, there have been quite a lot of obstacles I made to sort of jump through in order to get into medicine and I guess it’s sort of luck, bit of hard work and here I am in this lucky country so it’s time for me to share what I have achieved to the rest of my fellow colleagues, because I am lucky, and I want everyone to be able to be successful in this industry.

Nic

yeah, you’ve gone from not knowing anybody, and they say, it’s not what you know to being the person that people want to know.

Dr Liew

Well, I am just like me, I like to know everyone, the audiences I do generally want to know, I know their faces, I may not know their names. 

Trish

So before we go, how can we get a ticket? Where can we go? Are there any tickets available?

Dr Liew

Yes, yes, while tickets have not been released yet and that was strategic. 2019 was a great success. We were sold out a few months before, before the conference. So in order to be fair, to everyone who has been sending us emails, we do have 1500 people on our waiting lists. Sorry, we’re 1500 people on a waiting list. We have 600 tickets. So we are still thinking of the best way to be fair to everyone. So we will launch it in stages, and we will launch the ticket, possibly at the end of April as a first batch will launch it in three stages. And I’ll announce it as we approach the second half of April, on Instagram and Facebook.

Trish

So we need to be following your Instagram page. What is the Instagram handle? For those that don’t know?

Dr Liew

It’s @aestheticsau

Trish

I guess if you can’t spell a split aesthetics, you probably shouldn’t be going. Yes. Okay. So @aestheticsau on Instagram, and that’s when it’s going to be launched. So for those of you that don’t know, if you really want to go you can actually set notifications up on your Instagram, just go to the little three dots and make sure you just turn notifications for the Instagram page on so that you know when it happens. It’s going to be at the Hilton in Sydney and how I actually went there yesterday, not not to the Hilton, but I drove past because the tram is there. So it’s really easy to access. So get yourself an Opal Card and get one and fifth to the seventh of August. Amazing. Nicole, what else do we need to know?

Nic  

I just cannot thank you enough for sharing your time with us on a Sunday night. I’m so privileged and so honoured and so, so grateful.

Trish  

You know when you hear about someone that you know is having a wedding, you get really excited because our goal is going to be this, it’s going to be dressed up whatever. I’ve just come back from a wedding and I’ve been excited about that for months and now I’m excited about the next thing as well.

Dr Liew

Well, thank you so much for having me. For those who will be attending, I would like them to sort of chill, get excited, and have a good night’s sleep leading up to the conference because mentally they will need it mentally, you will be filled with so much useful information that you’ll be mentally exhausted. But not to mention the surprise that we’re going to inflict upon you, a good surprise of course, but thank you so much for letting me have this opportunity to share with your audience.

Trish

Thank you so much. It will be sad and people will be buzzing. There’ll be buzzing. There’ll be buzzing you know when you’re so tired, but you’re so hyper. Thank you so much. 

Nic

Thank you so much. Bye. 

Dr Liew

Okay. Bye bye.

You can find out more about Aesthetics 2022 or A22 https://www.instagram.com/aestheticsau/ here. 

Check out Dr Steven Liew profile on Anybodi https://anybodi.com.au/members/ 

Easy access to Dr Steven Liew https://www.shapeclinic.com.au/  

You can check out the upcoming details of A22 here https://aestheticsau.com/ 

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