Gina TPHE on Events – The Future

“I love what I do. I love people, I love watching people react to the things that we’ve planned and sometimes it’s a year in the making, but I love it.”
Trish is joined with Gina Samuels from The Production House Events. Gina is the Founder and General Manager and she’ll talk about what to expect in 2022, what events are not to be missed and why and how Covid has changed the event industry (for better or worse).
Excited to listen to this episode? Well we were pretty excited to share this with everyone. Gina has recently been named in the Top 100 Most Influential People in the Event Industry. She’s a true rockstar, and we absolutely love her!
 Transcript – Gina Samuels from TPHE on Events – the future
 

Trish

Hey listeners, it’s Trish Hammond here from the Aesthetics Uncensored podcast and I am so excited about today I’m joined with Gina Samuels. Now Gina is the Founder and General Manager at The Production House Events. And I met Gina years ago at a conference and every event that she does that I’m out, I just, my jaw just drops around. You always think when you know that you can’t imagine someone could do any better and then they do one step better the next conference so I’m really excited about today. So you’re welcome, Gina.

Gina

Thank you, you are very kind. Thank you for that intro.

Trish

I’m just honest, you’re an absolute rockstar so I’m excited to talk to you, all about you today.

Gina

Thank you. So it’s really nice to be sitting here talking to you in this context because we usually see each other on-site and we’ve had a bit of a hiatus with COVID. But it’s so nice to be doing this so thank you for having me.

Trish 

I know I’ve loved chatting, chatting is so so good because sometimes you do get preoccupied in just a year, the day-to-day and all that you miss the opportunity to actually sit down and talk and listen.

Gina  

Absolutely, and the connection is like that incredible connection.

Trish 

Yeah, that’s so true. So Gina, tell us how you get into the events industry for a start?

Gina 

So I have actually been working in the IT industry and working as the Event Director and Marketing Director for a number of different IT software and professional services organizations and then I actually came back to Melbourne and met my lovely husband Harry, who is my partner in business and in life. And we started the production house events actually in 2009, and started with doing a number of events, and then we entered the world of aesthetics by working with Graeme Southwick and his team from the AAPSW. And the business just grew, and ASAPS were at the event and they loved what we did and they loved all the small touches. And as a result, the business grew year on year and it’s just been an incredible, incredible journey to where we are now we’ve now got a team of 11 and working on events all throughout Australia and New Zealand.

Trish  

That’s amazing. You know, one of the things that I’ve noticed in the short term, I didn’t realize it was since 2009 because I thought you know, I didn’t even realize you’ve been in business for that long. So it’s a lot longer than what I even thought but you’re a brand that everybody recognizes now so you started TPHE in 2009.

Gina 

And in the aesthetics industry in 2011 we started. So you would have met us around then.

Trish  

Yeah, right and you so you’ve got 11 staff, and what I love is the fact that like, everyone stays with you, nobody wants to leave.

Gina  

Do you know what? We’ve been very lucky, we’ve got such incredible talent in our team, we really, really try and look after them exceptionally well and really celebrate their talent and their skills and we’re very proud because obviously, the last two years have been a very interesting two years for the events industry. But we’re very proud that we’ve managed to retain all the positions in our business, so all 11 staff, and this year, we actually retained around full time. So it’s been a really big sort of 24 months but quite empowering. Amazing.

Trish 

Yeah, when COVID hit, did you because I remember myself as like, Oh my God, that’s it. I’m done for? Did you think that is luck as an event company, and COVID hits, you’re gonna think, Okay, that’s it that we’re gonna die.

Gina    

I’m not as bad as that but I tell you what, I was in denial at the beginning, because we’d watched one event, sort of topple, and then the next one, the next one, and I remember moving the NSF from June to November really genuinely thinking that it was going to happen in November. And then all of a sudden, November, got to September, October, and you’re like, Okay. Look, it was full-on. It was intense but at the same time, Harry and Maddie, who most of you would know, and a few of the other team members in our team had already embarked on the concept of digital and virtual conferencing so we had already gone and trademarked our name masterclass. And we’ve already set up a website, we’d already embarked on looking at technology that could deliver these virtual events and we’d already even started doing a few events that had that sort of technical spin. But we weren’t quite up to the standards of putting on a full virtual event so we had to learn the technology very quickly. And we did and the team, we’ve got a very young dynamic team who are really clever and so they did all the online training and then we started delivering virtual events and it really happened very, very quickly and we’re very lucky that we have wonderful, wonderful clients who worked very closely with us. And in addition to that, a number of us also sit on a number of global committees and local committees in our governing industry. So in the events industry, we already had experience with some of the virtual events from their perspective so that meant when it came to actually run our conferences for our clients, we had that experience and we’re able to deliver it really well. So yes, I guess to answer your question, yes, it was confronting. It was full-on and it was a big change but at the same time, it was really empowering and it was quite an amazing journey. And, look, I think I am the eternal optimist. And I think that genuinely, I do try and take the positive out of everything that I do and out of everything that happens around me. So, yes, COVID was full-on COVID is still full on but I think that I personally look back at the last two years and I think that it has taught us the most incredible lessons and it’s also made me really appreciative of what I have and what we have as a team. 

Trish  

Yeah. And it’s really funny, because like you now saying that you’ve got a young dynamic team behind you that’s helped you kind of helped propel you, I guess, yeah, into the post COVID era. But have you found that since you’ve started, like, I know, once you hit these aesthetics markets change things for you, as well? But have you found that things are still changing for you, you’ve kind of got your niche and that’s where you’re just going from strength to strength.

Gina  

I think without, I guess, sounding overly confident, we’ve now mastered a lot of the technologies around delivering events online, and also from a hybrid perspective, we’ve now done quite a few that are hybrid as well. I think that it is continuously evolving. There’s new technologies that come about, we do have an innovation team, in our overall team that’s just responsible for looking at new technologies, new ideas, new things that we can inject into the virtual events to give them fun because it’s so hard when you’ve got people on screens, you want to make them feel connected and make them feel involved so we are always looking at areas like that. But at the same time, what’s really interesting is heading into 2022 and 2023. There’s definitely a very loud cry for getting back to in-person events because people want to be together and people want to feel connected, and people want to network and people want to kick their heels up and get onto the dance floor and dance and have fun so most of our clients have gone back to an in-person capacity for their events, but with a hybrid offering for those who can’t make it and I think that will stay for a little while. It is expensive to do hybrids, it’s not a cheap exercise to do a virtual component to an event but at the same time, at the moment, it does need to be offered because it’s sort of really vital to the success of an event. But at the same time, some clients are also going for virtual-only so that’s that may continue on as well. But we were ready, when our skilled, we’ve got really great case studies to be able to show people in terms of the success of the events that we’ve done. And as you know, like, we do always try to inject that bit of humanity and fun into everything that we do.

Trish  

Yeah. And you know what? Like, no matter, like you guys are also personable, like, I don’t know how you do it, but you kind of remember everyone’s name, you kind of know that everybody is at ease and you just like how do you even remember, that’s tough to do to each other naturally.

Gina  

It’s really funny because I laugh and say, if I could have remembered everything in your twirl like I remember people’s names, I would have done a lot better than you. And that’s my gift, look, I love people. I love people, I love the flavors of different people and the stories and the journeys. Everyone’s got a story, it doesn’t matter who they are and ultimately, we only hire people at the production house events that have that same passion for people, they have to love people, they have to care about people and want to help them and so really, that’s an A+, it’s very, very important to us.

Trish 

Yep. Yep, that makes so much sense because, like, it’s almost like you work with people and they become like a bit of an extended family because I can see the relationship that you have with the people that are the people that work with you, but also the people that work with youth from outside of your organization as well, people that you’ve started working with that, you’ve kind of adopted as part of your, I guess, bigger community.

Gina  

Absolutely. I think that we have aligned with incredible suppliers, and people around us, and our wider extended team of very like-minded and aligned with who we are. And to be honest with you, that’s also become really evident over COVID because we had to change a lot of things and evolve and we do that collectively, with this amazing bunch of people. I think the good people stick with the good people. I really do and I think that you do good right business when you work with people who are like-minded, and Trish you’ve probably seen, I mean, you’ve met, you’ve met all these people on-site and seen them and there’s a real sort of groove and a swagger to how we all work together. It’s beautiful. And so that’s what I’ve missed. Yeah.

Trish

Yeah. And it’s the camaraderie. It’s just, it’s like a, no, it’s a union of, I don’t know, I don’t even know how to explain it. Hey, but everybody’s connected and you can see that common thread running through everyone. That’s the only way I can explain it.

Gina   

Absolutely. Absolutely.

Trish

So tell me this year, you were actually nominated as one of the top 100 Most Influential People in the event industry.

Gina 

Thank you. It really was, it was a really, really lovely thing to I guess be acknowledged like that and I will admit, it does make me feel uncomfortable because I see myself as part of the team like I don’t whenever anyone singles out Gina and I say it’s Gina, I sort of it’s Gina and Harry and Maddie and Anna and Shellie and everyone who’s in our team. So it does feel a little bit uncomfortable but at the same time, I was really honored and listed with some really esteemed people globally, a number of us have reached out to each other and connected. It’s just a really, really lovely accolade. And look, I do a lot of things behind the scenes to help better our community and to better our profession and better our industry. And I guess it’s a really nice thing to be acknowledged for all that hard work.

Trish

Yeah, that’s so true. And I guess that’s something that’s kind of tied in with it because of the vision of the company, I don’t know when you created it, but the fact that your vision is to deliver beyond expectation and actually make it happen, because a lot of people promise stuff, that doesn’t happen. But like, for me, myself, I always know that I’m going to come to a TPHE event, and it’s going to be great, because it was great last time but then, like I said before, that just even just that one little thing extra happens and I think most of these people think this stuff? 

Gina  

Do you know what I think at the end of the day? There’s a famous saying that we remember moments and we remember it, you can, a lot can pass at the end of the day, you will remember they think of the moments and the thing is, we feel honoured if you choose to come and spend two-three days with us. And the delegates, obviously, from their perspective, they’re there to gain scientific knowledge and to be able to actually better their craft, and to go home more educated than when they came. And for the sponsors, you know, the sponsors will come because essentially they, they’re there for lead generation and for networking, and to make beautiful connections, from the media, each stakeholders got a different reason for being there, you’re obviously there to connect, to get some great stories and to do some really great sort of connection there. But ultimately, if you’re going to spend three days with us, we want you to have an amazing time you’re away from your family, you’re away from your life, you’re away from your work. So it’s all very well to tick the boxes of what you’re there for that you have to get. But ultimately, we want you to really have those moments where you just go. Oh my gosh, do you remember when import Douglas blah blah blah, we were that and ultimately, remember those very special moments and things that you can’t necessarily do on your own if you’re there on holiday. Or if you go to that brochure stand near the reception of a hotel that’s got all the different experiences. We want people to feel something and to really go home and have great stories to tell their barbecues and great stories to go home and show their families and talk to their families about and that’s what drives us. So we’re always always researching and we’re always out there, we do a lot of familes which are familiarisation tours where members of our team actually go on location and actually go and do discovery tools to just go and find those special things and we’re also talking to suppliers all the time. Suppliers ring us. We always say yes because we want to connect with people that have got the newest and the latest and greatest things and sometimes they’re completely left to center but I guess that’s the stuff that surprises people.

Trish

That’s so true because what yeah when it is, I can’t remember what it was but there was one year where there was because there’s been so many events Gina and that’s but I’m in one year I was like no this cannot even be possible this is just so surreal can’t remember what it was was something in the gift bag but have you think of this stuff like but obviously that’s from you being open to your suppliers providing to you as well.

Gina

Yeah and also just just looking at the angle like we’ve got it obviously always differentiate ourselves from our competitors and we don’t ever want to be beige. We want to be colourful. We want to go that extra mile.

Trish 

Yep, yep. Well, how do you keep up with the latest trends and news? Like I know you’ve got your, is it discovery?

Gina  

Just innovation, innovation. So the innovation team, we’re looking at technology specifically. We are also very, very technically driven so we have our tech stack internally at our organisation where all the different things that we need to deal with an organisation’s based on technology. So in terms of internal communication, we use Slack. In terms of our project management, we use Asana, and so on, and so on. But just for example, on Slack, we have a dedicated channel that’s just for innovation, good ideas, new products, new venues, and we’re constantly sharing and actually talking to each other and sharing all those concepts. I also sit on a number of different committees, as I said earlier, in our industry, so I’m sitting on both global and local committees and sort of involved in different boards on that level, and looking at what’s going on globally and different fresh, new ideas. And I’ve got to say also Instagram, LinkedIn, like there’s always information coming through, and I try and really fit, for example, my Instagram feed to be positive, happy stuff that comes through and so I’m really looking at it from that perspective, in terms of trends of what’s going on around the world and that can be everything from styling, to giveaways, to venues to experiences, etc. 

Trish 

Yep. Yep. It’s really funny, because, like, I’m like, I know, you’ve got quite a different variety of businesses that you work with that site, you got corporate associates, did you? Would you do a wedding or anything like that, or is it more just corporate now? 

Gina  

It’s fair to say that when I started the business, I actually did a lot of weddings and private functions and that’s actually how I got the business started so I just relocated back to Melbourne after being in Sydney for nine years and I was in the midst of having babies. So it was a really good way of sort of running a business and that’s how TPHE actually started. Because for the first few years, I was literally just doing weddings and private events and I got to do some pretty significant functions that we’re talking hundreds and hundreds of 1000s of dollars up to a million dollar weddings so they were pretty high end. And it was great, because I learned an enormous amount about suppliers by looking at the latest suppliers and templating all the things that I was doing, and dealing with all sorts of different clients. But really, my background has been corporate, I’ve come from a corporate background working in the IT industry and that’s really where I wanted to be because I really, truly believe in education and in helping people improve their skill set and education. So conferencing and events sort of seemed like the right place to be. So within two years, we’d evolved the business from being doing weddings and parties and all sorts of things to purely being corporate. But that being said, in those first two years, I would have done like 40 or 50 weddings and functions per year. I was literally working every single week of the year. It was just like wildfire. It went from literally nothing to being literally out every weekend and you can imagine with two small children, it was pretty intense. It was, I literally had a baby strapped to me half the time. 

Trish 

Yeah, I was gonna say, do your children see you? That was my next question. Do you actually know who you are? LOL

Gina  

Absolutely. So we run a very, very, very balanced life so when we get home, our phones go-to silent when we are with the children. From when we get home, we sit down as a family every single night for dinner, the four of us. Every night at dinner, we go around the table, and every member of the family has to say three things that they’re grateful for, or three things that made them smile throughout the day. On the weekends, we don’t work on weekends, unless we have a conference. So definitely on Saturday, we try to stay off technology on a Saturday altogether. But yeah, we’re there and I’m trying to bring up my kids like even though they’re very tech savvy, but I’m trying to go back a little bit to the 80s, you know, being outdoors and planting a veggie garden and going to the park and doing really lovely things that are just earthy and grounding because I mean, the youth of today it’s a whole new world with technology.

Trish

It’s so true, because otherwise you spend the whole weekend from the computer if you don’t, yeah,

Gina    

yeah, that’s what it’s all about friends and happiness and good food.

Trish

But we spoke before, we kind of dabbled in the discussion earlier on but also before the podcast started about how COVID came along, just kind of made things happen quicker as well. What kind of up the ante can you guess that? Like it puts you five years ahead? Can you kind of give us a bit of a rundown of that because that was I was we were bummed that we weren’t recording it.

Gina   

So I read this thing online that said where did your innovations COVID Count, what did it come from that your CTO, or CIO? Or did it come from COVID? and realistically, like, we were definitely embarking on this whole journey. But COVID has helped us get to where we would have taken five years to get to within a year, in fact, within months, so as much as Yes, COVID was full on, and it was intense, and it was a hustle. At the same time, it was inspiring and empowering and exciting, because we proved to ourselves and as an organisation that we could do it, we had some really happy clients and we continue to do so. But also, we are now set up to the other embark on really a myriad of different offerings. So as I said earlier, I do try and take the positives out of every single thing that happens in life, it’s a little bit of my heritage, because that’s where that’s what my family’s like but ultimately, COVID has taught us some really, really good lessons. Yeah, and it’s given us a whole new revenue model because ultimately, now we’ve got all sorts of different clients doing all sorts of different interesting goals online and in person.

Trish

Yeah, I guess with the events banner, it actually is, a lot of things that we don’t even imagine, like, come well, apart from corporate events is that there’s a lot of online stuff that you probably wouldn’t even have thought of before, but now it’s just gonna be a normal thing.

Gina 

Yes, absolutely. Yeah, absolutely. I think that it’s, there’s a myriad of different things that are there now and who knows, I mean, what, we don’t even know what’s coming. Yeah.

Trish

Yep. That’s true. Who knows? Who knows what’s gonna happen tomorrow? You just don’t even know. Absolutely. And I love the fact that you guys are so open to all that stuff and that that, I mean, that you know the people that work with you, you are great for that. But it also comes from above, because if you weren’t the sort of person, if you’re just like, yeah, no, everything’s great as it is now but you’ve obviously want that continuous desire for continuous improvement and continuous to be better than you were yesterday.

Gina 

Absolutely. And look, we feel really responsible, we feel really responsible for our team. And ultimately, we want to make sure that everyone is when they’re with us that they are personally developing, they’re professionally developing, and really, that they are getting everything that they need out of the business. So ultimately, we have to keep on innovating and we have to keep on making sure that we’ve got the right skills, the right tools, the right everything is in the business, for us to continue growing. And look, we don’t have a fallback position, ultimately, the business has to be successful so we take it really, really seriously. I know that there were some of our competitors that at the beginning of COVID, said, we’re just going to ride it out, we’re not going digital, we’re just going to write it out, and we’re going to wait till it’s over and get back to them. And for some of them, it’s been quite dire, because they haven’t had that luxury. Ultimately, that was never, ever, ever, that was never an option for us. We were ready to go and we’re really grateful that we did. And we’re very grateful for the incredible technology that’s available to be able to deliver these events and now moving back into the in person events. And obviously, with the hybrid offerings, we can marry it up really well. We will continue to do amazing in person events that obviously were very, very deep and, and detailed COVID safe plans, we’re working very closely with all the venues and with all the suppliers to make sure that everything is executed immaculately. So that way, if anyone does come and spend a few days with us that they feel safe, and that they know that everything’s been ordered, all the measures have been put in place to make sure that it’s a really, really great and successful event. Still with all the bells and whistles and touches but in a safe environment. 

Trish

Yeah, yep. And I reckon it’s gonna be like, there’s a lot of that where people couldn’t go to events, and they just didn’t go. Whereas now with that hybrid model, it’s just gonna open up to the people that actually, if you can’t go because I can’t get there, because I’ve got kids with weekend or whatever, you’ve still got the opportunity of actually learning, although you haven’t got that personal touch, you’ve still got the opportunity of learning your stuff. But when I attended the online event this year, it was actually although it wasn’t in person, because you had all those little rooms where you could talk to the exhibitors and and you could chat with each other. If you were speaking and chatting with each other first, like, it kind of was like a live event, but it was a live event in your own room.

Gina 

Yeah, and it’s and look, it’s a TPH, a virtual event, which is still got the touches, it still makes you feel something it’s not going to be the same because you’re not physically, the chemistry is not there by being in person, but ultimately it still gave you an experience and look that will always be I think that will always be on offer for the clients that opt to choose it. As I said to you earlier, it’s not a cheap exercise, though like ultimately you do need to commit, but there will always be people that would that will appeal to but interestingly, we’ve gone live with a few of our events already the in person events for next year. And interestingly, the statistics are that people really like 10% of people that want to go virtual.

Trish

Yeah. Wow, I’m actually surprised that 10% of it’s more, but I’m kind of one of those virtual people. But then when I’m there-person, I’m like, Oh, my God, this is just what I want to do. But because I live far away, I always have to travel. Yes. So I kind of get it from both sides. Really?

Gina  

Yeah, absolutely. Absolutely. I think that look, as you say, there’ll be always a portion of people that will be relevant to, but at the same time, I think a lot of people are going to are going to take advantage of in your way, I think everyone wants to get away from their dishwashers, and their kitchens in their in their lives, and just actually have a bit of a break, punctuate their lives with a bit of travel. That’s not necessarily a holiday but something where they get to come and learn and network and see the people that they went to university with and see the people who they will be fellows with and so on so we’re really, really excited for that.

Trish

Yeah, absolutely. Like, I want to learn but let me dance.

Gina  

I said actually, before I said, I think we’re gonna need double the amount of Baroque as to what we traditionally made. Because it’s gonna be a lot of headaches. 

Trish

Probably, I think you’re right. So tell me, what do you think 2022 brings? Like, can you see? And I mean, I know none of us are gonna know what’s going to happen but you got like, there’s no doubt about that yourself and TPHE like you’re visionaries. You know what I mean? It’s almost like you can see things before they happen. So you’re, I think you’re proactive, rather than reactive? And so what do you think? What will I do in 2022? What do you reckon 2022 will bring?

Gina   

Look for being well, it’s going to bring great connection, great success and great events. But at the same time, I think we’re all very measured, and very conservative in that we always will have a plan B, the Plan B is a strong plan B and the stronger plan B will be in place from the get go versus last few where we had to switch to Plan B, this will be very much in place in that because a lot of these events have got the hybrid option, it will pay the for people that may not be able to get there. But ultimately, look, I’m hoping that things sort of start to settle down and we’re able to have the luxury of being able to travel and being able to group. It seems as though in all the various states that things are starting to relax, which is fantastic. But I’m seeing a lot of really positive discussion in terms of people getting back together, people missing being around their colleagues and I think that’s going to be the greatest thing of all is just putting that together again, and I honestly, and genuinely think that people are never going to take it for granted again, or at least I hope not.

Trish

I swear to God, that’s exactly what I was gonna say. I think what happens this time around is we actually have a greater appreciation for it because it’s been taken away from us and we appreciate it more, and we’ll be nicer to each other.

Gina  

I hope so. I really do hope so. And look, I mean, I cannot wait to see everyone again, and to be hosting everyone and to just, I guess just feeling the energy of it all, but at the same time in a really safe environment so that way people feel comfortable. It’s gonna be amazing.

Trish

Yep. I can’t wait. I can’t wait to see you guys. And I can’t wait. Conference and just be in touch with people again. So yeah, I’m pretty excited too.

Gina  

Absolutely can’t wait. 

Trish 

Oh, look, I gotta say thank you so much for joining us. I’m going to ask you one question. Before we go now, I haven’t asked this before. So what’s your passion? Like, what makes you get up in the morning?

Gina   

Oh, what gets me up in the morning, I think, is definitely my beautiful family that I’m very, very proud of. I feel very, very, very blessed to be sharing my life with my husband, who as I said, is my business partner as well and our two little girls, Molly and Bella. And we’re very proud of the family that we’ve created and we are able to have the life that we have because of our work. So our work definitely is incredible to do and incredible in that it allows us to live this beautiful life together. But I’d say in addition to that, as I said earlier, I love, I love what I do. I love people, I love watching people react to the things that we’ve planned and sometimes it’s a year in the making, but I love it. I love you know when you guys are walking to a gala dinner and your mouths just drop open because it’s snowing on top of you or because there’s some incredible installation. I can’t wait to get back to that so we’re already planning for that now so we’re already well and truly in planning mode. So what gets me out of bed in the morning is definitely my love of life, my love of my family, my love of my work and my love of living in this beautiful country. I think we’re very, very blessed to live in Australia and to have this beautiful, beautiful life.

Trish 

That’s so true. You’re so right, Gina, and like, you’re not only a rock star, but you’ve created an absolute rockstar in the industry and I always look forward to everything and I have yet to meet to be at something that’s been as well as what you do and I just think you guys are bloody awesome.

Gina  

Oh, you’re so kind. Nice and fun.

Trish

I can’t wait. Well, thank you so much for joining us today.

Gina  

Thank you. You’re very, very kind to have me here. And I just love chatting with you.

Trish

I know, I could talk for hours. I’ve got a list of questions. But like well, thanks, Gina. And just before you just a little so how can people get in touch with you if they want to run an event or if they were having to make because you like, you don’t just do massive big events, you do medium sized events.

Gina   

Which are small workshops. We do cadaver workshops, we do Christmas parties, and all sorts of different things. So if you’d like to get in contact, either you can go online to tphe.com.au or you can contact me at [email protected] and we’d absolutely love to chat with you but also go on to Instagram, which is @theproductionhouseevents and you can see a lot of colour and a lot of fun on there and just to get a taste for who we are.

Trish 

Yeah. Awesome. Thank you so much for joining us. I really have loved having you here and it’s been an absolute delight to talk to you. I’m so honored. Thank you so much for coming on the show. Thanks, darling. Okay. Have a great one.

Gina   

Thanks. Bye bye.

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