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Let’s hear Trish, Nicole and Rhi talk about Intimate Laser and Injectable Treatments!
Transcript- Rhi on Intimate Laser & Injectable treatments

Trish: Hey, listeners, it’s Trish Hammond here and Nicole Montgomery from Aesthetics Uncensored. And today we are joined by the lovely, lovely Rhi and I just call Rhi Aesthetic because it’s just a much easier surname. And, and really it’s like a laser guru like I met her years ago when at a clinic that was doing injectables to enhance the girth of the men’s penis. And I was blown away then that there were at least some things but there this time is more or less just the tip of the iceberg. But we’re going to talk today about lasers and treatments that people have in their intimate area. So today’s gonna be a really interesting podcast. So welcome, Rhi!

Rhi: Hello, and thank you so much for having me guys. I am thrilled to be here. And yeah, very excited to talk about this. what some would say to do subjects.

Trish: I’m going to talk about vaginas and penises really, to be honest. Probably being locked in. We just started a lockdown today. So we’re locked down for a week because of one number, someone, but that’s okay. I don’t mind being unlocked every now and then. But so, so tell us, you know, you’ve got some amazing stories like, I know you have, because I’ve spoken to you before, but tell us what, what are probably the most out there intimate treatment that someone’s ever had done?

Rhi: I think, for me, and as you said we first met in Sydney back in 2015, when I was working in a clinic that offered male enhancement, so you know, filler in the penises, essentially to give the penis more girth. So just like you when I first started, in that clinic, I was like, wow, like people were actually having this done. But not only having these done, they’re spending this amount of money on these procedures, but that quickly sort of grew to people looking at that area as a whole. And that’s where the trench you have your anus, co2, lasered and lightened at the same time sort of came about. So that’s probably one of the most random areas that I have had to treat.

Trish: Because like it’s the same as angle bleaching?

Rhi: Yeah, it’s a form of I guess, bleaching. You know, we do use a lightening agent. But I guess you could call it anal bleaching. But essentially, it’s there, you have the treatment done to minimise the amount of pigment in the anus. And that can also be done, obviously, further up. It can also be done on females, for their labia as well. So a lot of women will come with concerns over internal as well, as well as external. And one of their concerns is obviously the discolouration which you can get, just by genetics, you can also get from your hormones as well. So for those women who tend to have darker labia areas, or even a darker anus, they typically want to come and have a treatment done to lighten that one of those options that we have is to see you through so that’s probably the most randomness area that I’ve had to kind of laser before.

Trish: Yeah. And so with this, I can only imagine that there because it’s on the outside because I’ve had to go to the laser but that was internally. And that didn’t hurt at all. I was blown away that it didn’t hurt at all. But on the outside, I had it on my face as well. And that really hurt around your butthole. I reckon that would be really good.

Rhi: Yeah, look, it’s one of those things internally, there’s actually no nerve endings inside the vagina. So if you were to perform a co2 laser treatment, even an erbium treatment or a radio frequency treatment internally, you don’t actually feel it. Your body doesn’t perceive that as pain, but externally, yes, you will. So what we actually use is we use a topical anesthetic because of the mucosal lining it does absorb very quickly. So typically, we would do the internal treatment and apply the top of the line as they wait five to 10 minutes and then we would obviously remove the topical and then go ahead and perform the treatment and that pretty much takes away all pain and discomfort essentially. But yet if you didn’t have any topical anesthetic on it would be quite uncomfortable.

Trish: Do you have any preparation? Like, what’s going to happen, have you ever had an accident like it’s not what a person was so scared that hurt themselves or something like you know, I’m an addict like I’m a bit of a coffee enema, colonic kind of added person myself. So like, is there any kind of prep required before someone has their butt hole or anus sorry if that’s the right way to say it.

Rhi: People that have their anus lightened and we certainly wouldn’t recommend that you have a coffee enema prior to coming in. Look, there’s really no prep needed. We usually give you guys a watch sort of like wipe over the air and freshen up. But no, there’s no sort of I haven’t personally had any accidents. We’ve had a couple of surprises when we’ve done laser vaginal rejuvenation. So obviously, people who have got quite severe prolapses you know, people who unexpectedly got their periods when they’re in menopause, and they haven’t had a period for five years, the day they come to have their vagina, their vagina laser, they get their period. Yeah, but no, it’s a pretty straightforward procedure, to be honest with you. But I’m definitely one that you probably wouldn’t run a promotion for.

Trish: No, no I will come and get him on special this week. So just, I am just so interested in the demographic of people that would do this, because, like, for me, I’m in my late 50s. And like, I’m not into I mean, I have of course, what if I feel like it, I’ll go and have a waxing down then the first time I had done my cubes wax, and she said, you know, now do the frog legs. I was like, what, what the hell is the frog legs, I was just like, I was mortified that I actually was just sitting there holding my knees up while someone actually put wax around my butthole to get off. But having said that, I actually really liked the result. You know, it’s like, oh, this is kind of nice and smooth. So I understand the attraction as well. But is there a demographic of people because like, I’ve got a family member who was going to get her the hair removed on a vagina like, what if it comes back into fashion one? Because I know it’s all the rage now not to have any. But fashions change? Like, is there a demographic or just everyone does it except me.

Rhi: I was talking about, like hair removal, we were talking about the demographics like the laser, the intimate areas.

Trish: You know what I was actually talking about hair removal, then but I would mind knowing the other ones as well.

Rhi: Yeah look, I think with hair removal, I think it’s just one of those things, if that makes sense. I just think like 90% of people have it done. And I think even more men these days, manscape I think the need for women. And I just think girls, that they are a lot more active, at a very young age, they’re doing gymnastics, swimming, etc. And I think there’s just a social acceptance not to have any hair. And that having pubic hair, underarm hair, leg hair is not acceptable. So they start to remove it at a very, very young age, probably a lot younger than they probably even should and before their hormones have even really fully kicked in. But I do agree, I do think that there’s going to be a lot of people that get to a certain age and think, Oh, well, I’ve absolutely got no hair and I don’t have that option to bring it back. There definitely is an option to bring it back. And that is doing hair transplants. And at the clinic that I was part owner in we actually used to do hair or they did it on the other side of the business. They used to do hair transplants, for pubic hair. There’s a lot of culture that it’s actually frowned upon if you don’t have pubic hair in the area. So hair transplants in the pubic area along with sort of like facial hair as well. That’s definitely a growing trend. So men want to have that real chiseled beard line. Women who have over plucked and over waxed their eyebrows over the years having hair transplants over the eyebrows and things like that is also definitely trending. Yeah. In terms of the demographic for intimate laser rejuvenation, I mean, obviously, I when I first started out, you know, in the industry when I was first doing the penis enlargement, I thought that we would see a lot of gay men to be honest with you, but we really didn’t I mean, obviously, yes, there was a percentage of gay men, but a lot of the men that we we used to treat were straight. And then the number one reason for wanting the procedure was so that the flaccid penis looks bigger in the gym. So they weren’t having it done to please their partner. They weren’t even having it done really for themselves. They were having it done. So when they were at the gym, in the showers getting changed, their flaccid penis was bigger than what it was. They weren’t even really even concerned about having a bigger penis while erect. It was really that having a bigger penis, why was it still flattered. And as you guys would know, it’s working really on the girth and in terms of culture We obviously have a lot of different nationalities and cultures coming through for that. So I couldn’t say that there was one main demographic, I think everybody has the right to work on themselves. And if plastic surgery or cosmetic surgery is one of those things that they want to do, then everybody sort of should be entitled to and I remember when it first hit the Australian market, there was a lot of talk about it. I remember one plastic surgeon turned around and said, Well, if a female is allowed to increase her breast size by putting breast implants in, then why can’t a man you know, increase his penis size by having a procedure done.

Trish: It’s true. And it’s really funny because I actually interviewed a guy once because I sort of thought it just just to actually speak to someone who had done it. And I wanted the why I wanted the why. And here’s why: because he thought he just wanted to surprise his wife. It was a 50 year old guy who said, I just wanted to surprise my wife. He didn’t want to tell her. He just wanted to surprise her. You know, like, it was like, Hey, I’m surprised. And that was his reason. And I was just intrigued because I know that people get it done. But it was just done. I was like, Who are these people? And this particular guy, I think he was actually a doctor.
I think he was a doctor. And yeah, he just wanted to do that just to surprise his wife. So yeah, it is out. I think it’s a really popular procedure. But like you said before, it’s really expensive. How are you going to be pretty committed financially?

Rhi: Yeah, I was gonna say, if you spoke to a doctor, then I can understand why he probably just wanted to surprise his wife, but he’s got the financial needs to be able to do that. It is quite a costly procedure. And it’s definitely something that you do need to maintain. So depending on the filler that they actually inject will depend on I guess, the longevity of the product along with your metabolism and things like that. But I actually had a colleague of a friend actually of mine who lives in Western Australia, he’s a journalist, and he contacted me on instagram the other day and said, Hello, Miss penis enchanter? I am interviewing a doctor here in Western Australia, who does male penis enhancements, and I obviously knew exactly who he was talking about. Yeah, the guy who probably started at all really here in Australia and who’s very well acted, and does incredible procedures. So he interviewed him from the Western Australia and yet he reached out to me and we had a bit of a running joke. Well, most people back when I was working in the practice they called me the Penis Enchanter title.

Trish: I love that title.

Rhi: On my Instagram, I like real estate. So I had the Lazy Queen and then I had the Penis Enchanter. And I just had to get down. I was having a lot of unwanted attention, put it that way.

Trish: Okay. Well, your mom told you off.

Rhi: No. I don’t think my parents have ever been so proud of a business venture. But no, I was called a penis enchanter out because I was doing all of our consent forms and putting everything in place. And instead of saying penis enhancement, I had written a penis enchantment. And so all of the documents had penis enchantment in it. And like it was months that went by before one guy was just like, do you know what actually says in Chapman? And then yeah, so the joke sort of started as you know, penis enchantment.

Trish: That’s hilarious. I have no idea, that’s just, that’s gold. So first of all, as you get into it, what happened? How long have you been in laser? Like, how did you get started in lasers? Where did you come from before that?

Rhi:  Yeah. So I mean, I originally grew up in Western Australia. And back in Western Australia when I first started my, I guess my study, there really wasn’t anything available other than to become a beauty therapist. So I became a beauty therapist, and then I actually traveled. I did lots of world travel, but I ended up in Harrods. So I worked two years in Harrods and that’s where I sort of got the love of IPL and lasers started for me. I moved back to Western Australia and NWA the laser laws, they didn’t have any laser laws back then you had to be adopted in order to operate a laser so I only had the opportunity to operate IPL. So, I was sort of considered the IPL Queen for many, many years. I hadn’t really touched many lasers. I hadn’t done much with them. And then I moved to Sydney in 2015, which is when I met you, and that’s really sort of where I guess the door opened for me, and I started obviously using lasers. So it’s only been around seven or so years since I’ve really been using a lot of the laser. I’ve been very fortunate with, like my mentors and who’s coached me and taught me. But all up in the industry, I think it’s something like 15-16 years, which I don’t like to admit.

Trish: Especially considering that you’re 27 when you’re five, can’t wait. You know what, all jokes aside, you are an absolute testament to like your face. What to me, is an excellent testament as to how lasers work because your skin is so porcelain and clear and wrinkle free and all that metal just because you’re a laser guru. But it’s true, though.

Rhi: I know. But it is sort of like the old mechanic joke. You know, the mechanics, cars always sort of break down and you would know we hardly ever get to have treatments done. But when we do we do make the most of them. So it’s been a long, long career. so far. I’ve enjoyed every step of the way. Always learning, always learning. Yeah, and I just kind of fell into lasers and here we are.

Trish: And the first step in the clinic was with penises to do lasers. That was the same clinic where we started doing lasers. Is that right?

Rhi: Yeah, so when I moved to Sydney, it allowed me to actually be able to operate lasers. So I had all the theory knowledge there. It was just in Western Australia. I actually wasn’t allowed to operate them. I had operated them in London. But yeah, I obviously wasn’t allowed to do so in Western Australia. They seem to have now changed the laws, so now in Western Australia, you can have a laser license, and you can actually perform treatments.

And we spoke before because we did start this podcast before I confessed, and I forgot to press record. So we just had, we had this great round over time, while Nicole was still available and taking care of her kids, these mothers that have to run to the kids really got 12,000 that’s just the way guys. But we were chatting before we were talking about the different types of treatments for the intimate areas is where we kind of got started. And so we took, like, we’ve covered the co2 for, you know, the anus area, I even feel shy saying it, I’d rather just say butts, but that’s just my way back home. But for lightning or even, I guess, hair removal.

Rhi: I guess, yeah. Obviously, laser hair removal for the anus is huge. I mean, that’s probably one of the most requested areas. But I mean, in terms of other treatment options available, as we spoke about before, MonaLisa, or the brand Decker did such a great job at branding the MonaLisa, that most people associate laser vaginal rejuvenation with the MonaLisa, and brand Mona Lisa.

Trish: Well, it was the first one wasn’t it? It was the very first one because I can remember when it first came out with, almost heard about it, and you don’t be shy that they were talking about the issues that women had with their, with them leakage and all that, with all that stuff, it was always something, it was taboo. It was now it’s up there and out there and I was talking about it, everyone’s doing it and no one’s shy or not a lot of people aren’t shy anymore.

Rhi: And you know what, it has so many benefits to it. And you know, we were talking with Nicole before, she was saying that she’s had the treatments done before Nicole and quite a few different options that she’s had, obviously, the EMS. She had the radio frequency. And she’s also had co2 done as well. And there are a lot of different options out there. But one of the main things that people sort of misinterpret is they think about it as vaginal tightening. And it’s really not. Well, certainly radio frequency and co2 laser is not really vaginal tightening as such, because when you talk about tightening, you’re talking about a muscle and we’re not working on the muscle layer, we’re really working on the lamina propria which is the lining of the vagina essentially. And that responds in a very similar way to how our skin responds to laser and in particular, so go through. But there are so many, I guess different reasons that you would have it and one of those reasons and it’s the reason why I personally had it done. I had it done I would have probably only been around 28 I think when I first had my treatment done and that was because I was getting recurring thrush. There was no reason for me to be getting thrashed, but I just kept getting it month after month after month I’d go on antibiotics, I’d get thrashed and I’d have to get back onto antibiotics and I would get thrashed again. And so I actually originally had my treatment done for that. So that’s one of the indications for it.

Trish: Did that work?

Rhi: Yeah, absolutely. It did. Yeah.

Trish: How could that work? Well, first of all, did you find out why you were getting? Or was it?

Rhi: Yeah, it was just the antibiotics. So it was kind of just like a, like literally a rotating, you know, circle, I’d get a UTI, I’d gotten antibiotics, I didn’t get thrush. And so this process just kept happening, you know, constantly. So it actually changes the pH in the vagina itself. And then basically, the flashcard can’t grow and can’t survive. So that’s how that works. And then you’ve obviously got other things like women who suffer from stress urinary incontinence and things like that, it’s only going to work to a certain level, if somebody needs to have surgery or someone needs to have a sling, then they’re really not going to be the ideal candidate, but someone who is only got mild stress incontinence issues, then yeah, absolutely, it’s definitely going to be a treatment option for them. We treat patients that have got lichen sclerosus , we treat a PC artemi scars. And then as we said before, like anyone who sort of got any discolouration issues, or they’re just concerned about sort of like the laxity and sort of like the plumpness of the external areas of the vagina as well.

Trish: Okay. And so the co2 laser can be used internally and externally. Externally for like colour, like to make it a pink lady, I’m talking lady here.

Rhi: Yeah, so externally. So like your abs, it can help with the plumpness. So it can help to plump it out. It also can help with, obviously, the discolouration. I wouldn’t say it makes it pinker, but it certainly will lighten down the actual tone that you’ve already got. But it’s not going to turn someone who’s naturally got brown undertones to someone who’s got more pink undertones.

Trish: Yeah. Yeah, ask about plumping like a set of things. People want to plump it out?

Rhi: Yeah, they do. They do. And we do female filler as well. So you can actually fill it in the labia to plump that out. You can also put filler behind the G spot as well. Or even sometimes behind the vitreous, I think they do. I don’t specialise in that. So maybe giving out wrong information. But they do definitely use filler in the vagina as well for aesthetic purposes. And there is a company who actually has a filler just designed for intimate areas. So they bought out a filler just for your intimate area. So both male and female.

Trish: I guess that makes sense. Because if that’s what people are wanting, that’s what can get done. And the thing is, like, I’m kind of like, Oh, you know, why would you bother and stuff like that. But the thing is, there’s obviously people out there who this could be something that’s really bothered them their whole life, whether it’s because it was, is a vagina too skinny? Like what? Like, why would you plump it out.?

Rhi: So they want to plump out the labia. And so just like your skin, so as you age to remain like collagen lasting, we break down, we lose the amount of like, running acid and hydration in the skin, the same thing happens with the vagina if not more, because of the hormones associated with it. So a lot of women associate that really plump, juicy vagina with being young and useful, as long as you know, a dry, less plump, maybe.

Trish: I need to go and have a closer look, because I just like cutting so I’m really going to have a close look. Or maybe I don’t because I’m going to want to know whether you could do that.

Rhi: Yet. Definitely. So that’s probably one of the main requests that we get when we have someone wanting to have rejuvenation of vagina, they may have internal issues that they want treated, but a lot of women will be concerned about the lack of plumpness, what is the discolouration of the labia?

Trish: And can you get partners from just laser?

Rhi: You can, absolutely that works very, very similar to obviously the skin stimulating the production of collagen elastin and production of your gags as well. So that, in turn will increase the amount of secretions that the vagina has. So for women who have a lot of dryness, whether it’s just every day, or it’s a part of like intercourse and things like that, it obviously helps on that aspect of things as well. itchiness. So a lot of women suffer from dryness and itchiness. We quite often do co2 laser treatments as well to help with that.

Trish: Okay, and with stuff like that, can you just get it done? And once it’s done forever, or is this something that you have to like, say for example, like I’m thinking here, right? Okay, I want to start doing this. Now. I’m in my mid 50s. Am I going to have to do like ABS all the time, or is it gonna come to a point where it’s like it’s impossible to make this any better?

Rhi: Yet look, and that’s a great question and it does get to the point where it’s impossible to make it any better. That’s when we’re looking at our maintenance, we’re maintaining what we’ve achieved. And I always liken it to going to the gym, you don’t go to the gym, you don’t get a ripping body, and then just stop going to the gym and maintain that ripping body, you’ve got to maintain that. So it’s a lot of hard work to get there, what you bought there is then maintaining it. So most companies, most manufacturers, I think, really suggest any between anywhere between one and four treatments, usually space sort of every four weeks. And then you sort of go on like a yearly kind of maintenance program or even you can push it out to sort of 18 months, it really depends on your expectations and the severity of the condition as to how frequently you would want to have the actual procedure done. It’s pretty straightforward. I mean, once you’ve had your first one, you’re in and out within 15 minutes. I mean, have you ever had one before?

Trish: Yeah, I have I have actually had a co2 and I’ve had an RF different times, and yet the co2 one that was I actually only had one treatment of that, it’s really funny. Was it just one treatment? Yeah, I was really excited because I got an E-beauty and it’s gonna make a difference. Because when you hear that, you go to that and some get tired. And I said to my husband, I was going to do this, and it’s going to be tiring. Alright, and I want to write a story about so you need to give me your fault, I need you to really protect me and make the difference. And so I had this treatment, and then I think you couldn’t have sex for two weeks. I think that one is correct. Yeah. Yeah, two weeks. And after two weeks, like, we went to have sex and what it wouldn’t even got black in closed over. It didn’t close over either. Just like what the hell like what, what’s going on? And I’m actually really like, what have I done? And then I found out after doing all the research, and the most amazing guy from the company, like we worked out together as well, because I’m gonna post everything that like, what the hell’s going on here? But then, as it turns out, I’m having the herpes simplex virus because I don’t have a deck of cold sores. But I do get a bit of a flap on my back when I’m stressed out or whatever. And so having the herpes simplex virus in your body, I must have actually had that active when I had the laser treatments. And what it did is it just went to look, and it just kind of closed over. So that’s pretty scary. I was like, shit, what have I done? Like, is it ever gonna work again? So I’ve realized that that’s a country’s indication that, which could have been fixed by just taking an antiviral or finding rainfall?

Rhi: Yeah. Look, it is a tough one. So when we perform the treatment, during the consultation, we obviously go through all of these questions, but a lot of people actually don’t know that they’re a carrier. And it’s not until they actually have an outbreak or a severe outbreak, they actually know. And this actually happened with me, not myself, I actually was involved in treating a patient and she actually didn’t know that she was a carrier. And she was in denial for weeks and weeks. She was married, she had four children, she was like, absolutely not, I don’t have herpes. And anyway, we finally managed to convince her to get swapped, and she did get swapped, and yet came back positive. So a lot of people don’t know the area of the actual virus themselves. But yeah, it’s definitely a contract indication. If we know we generally do get people to take their antivirals, and we certainly would never treat why there’s an active infection. You know, look, it definitely can happen and it does happen. But once that all sort of calmed down, I mean, what what were your results like? And then what would you say? Would you recommend it to other women?

Trish: I didn’t actually finish because that was actually a precursor to me, to me. It was kind of how it actually happened. But I was introduced to that amazing forever being a listener who’s a gynecologist in Adelaide, and it was kind of a precursor precursor to because I’ve had issues for years and years and years. And it was 12 years that I was probably fighting having a hysterectomy. And anyway, that me having had that done, and that hadn’t happened to me and get introduced to perrigo. Ultimately it was the precursor to me having a hysterectomy. So I never actually went and finished the treatment because from that was some it was identified that I you know, I had this, my cervix was Madame Marina that got lodged in the cervix and all this sort of stuff. So I know just all this crazy stuff happened. But if then it had if I hadn’t had that done, I would never have known what was wrong was wrong. So it was just ironic the way that will happen. So it’s like a blessing in disguise.

Rhi: Did they take out your ovaries when you had your hysterectomy?

Trish: I need one because I was too scared to make the statement. But I was I was I didn’t know how I was 48 to 50, I didn’t know how and all that kind of mental health I am I can but yeah.
We were just talking about vaginas Nicole we’re just talking about when I had the Mona Lisa touch and and closed over

Nicole: and but that’s because your vagina closed over?

Trish: yeah not that it was yet like we like to listen to himself was to find out well yeah, we couldn’t get it to wait for like, Oh my god, what’s wrong? Yeah. He definitely moved on from that. Like any bad guess. They don’t use it like I have the radio frequency but it’s a really lovely doctor. I was so embarrassed because you’ve had a very frequent macaque, haven’t you? It is like a hot stone mash up massage. Like a hot stone massage and the labia area I thought was really nice. I’m gonna come and go. I must be lacking this.

Rhi: Whiny massages. I’m definitely making a trend at the moment. So I don’t think it’ll be long before it’s again. You know? Not only are we going for our laser hair removal and our facial, we’re going for a Yoni massage.

Trish: Oh my god. I would like to have a steaming, lazy.

Rhi: No, I’ve done a steaming. Yeah, look, I mean, it’s interesting. It’s like literally squatting over a you know, a pot of boiling water. I mean, I didn’t notice that much. You wouldn’t burn your flaps. No, no, no, it didn’t grow on my slaps. But yeah, I want to say I noticed huge amounts of benefits or any changes, but no, I did. I definitely gave it a go. I mean, I’m up for trying anything new.

Trish: What’s it supposed to be for?

Rhi: I think it’s meant to be cleansing.

Nicole: Like a vagina facial.

Rhi: Right up. You’re right. I mean, like, I really like crystals and things like that. So it’s meant to like, floor out negative energies.

Nicole: Those negative penises are gone.

Rhi: Yeah, so yeah, so yeah, I reckon watch the space. You only get massages. I think it’s gonna absolutely take off.

Trish: Oh my god. So simple. What’s another really weird thing that you’ve been asked for? Or has there been anything up for your jaw that has just dropped?

Rhi: Gosh. I mean, look, I don’t know if I’m allowed to say this to you. This is all confidential. You can, I would say at least 70% of the men that we did the penis enlargement on or offered us and then in there on the spot. 10k to give it a it’s first crack.

Trish: Because what can you do? Can you use it straightaway?

Rhi: No, no, you can’t. But they all looked down, they all looked down and see this like, cause obviously there’s swelling associated with, you know, after the procedure. So not only have they want extra girth, they’ve got a lot of girths, and they’ll all look down. And they’ll all be like, right girls?

Nicole: Oh, you imagine who you really skinny pain is and then looking down and going, Oh, look at that.

Trish: No, I think they would only be so much that you could actually on that. And they’ve got to be true. So can you just keep putting more and more and more and more like like, because I know it’s gonna, of course, it’s gonna wear off after lip filler. But could you just go from really skinny to really bad?

Rhi: This sort of only this, there is a limitation to how much girth that you can create, given the size that you already have, if that makes sense.

Nicole: If you have a foreskin or not?

Rhi: No, it doesn’t actually doesn’t matter at all. Um, one thing that we used to do a lot of as well as we actually used to do a lot of reconstruction of the gland area for men who had been over circumcised. So they basically, you know, in a nutshell, they didn’t have a knob essentially. So we actually used to put a lot of filler in the glands to basically create a knob for them.

Trish: Oh, that’s really sad.

Nicole: Everyone likes a nice knob.

Rhi: Circumcised or a lot of men, a lot of men had accidents. Like I can’t tell you the amount of men that we came that came through that had like only one testicle because they’d been in it, you know, motorbike accident or they’d fallen out of a tree. Yeah.

Trish: So a lot of mumps and mumps as well. Mumps can result in one testicle. Really? Yeah, I have encountered one who only had one because we’ve got it marked as a child.

Rhi: And did he have a prosthetic?

Trish: No. Oh, those are the days. I’m trying to forget. I think he actually did.

Rhi: Yeah, they’re the weirdest thing. I don’t know how I’ve lucked out. But I’ve dated three men with one testicle and all three had prosthetics, and they are the weirdest things ever.

Nicole: Wow, I had that if you do laser hair removal, on the scrotum on balls that decreases your chance of having children. Is that a myth?

Rhi: I reckon that’s a myth. I do think that’s because the laser energy really can’t penetrate. Like, I mean, let’s face it, it’s not penetrating like that depth. I do believe this could be true. I don’t know that they do recommend that you obviously, you know, shoot let them go. What do they say? Let him go to the keeper. The day that you have the laser hair removal done, and then the day after you’re okay.

Trish: What do you mean? No, they’ve got to keep and what is this terminology?

Nicole: So painful just for me,

Rhi: I think I think that’s what it’s called.

Nicole: Like, just let it go to the root of the get rid of the devil or demons or whatever.

Rhi: Just Just let the just you know, flushing down the toilet. Okay.

Trish: Okay, sure. Okay, keep up. I’ve never heard that before. I must be like, really old. We haven’t heard of it though. I have heard that. Because I’ve got a sauna. As you can see, I have heard the blog shouldn’t have a sauna more than twice a week because it can affect the sperm count. Really? Well. Maybe it’s a theory, maybe there could be something we should call out for done out there that knows the answers. This should actually let us know because that will make a good topic on its own.

Rhi: Yeah. Amazing. Um, males doing to reduce their sperm count by having two saunas a week.

Trish: Yeah, or two sources. Okay, but you shouldn’t have one every day. If you’re a bloke. Unless you don’t want kids to get one every day. Live in a sauna getting kicked in it. So what’s another unusual intimate kind of laser cosmetic aesthetic, or even non aesthetic procedure? Actually, good boy. But there’s I want to say because I wrote an article once I interviewed Dr. Colin Moore, who used to do lots of surgery, not surgery, but ear surgery and stuff for for like young children who had a he was a pediatrician originally, but because there is a there is a condition called a micro penis as well as there was a condition called a macro penis. And in my life, I’ve actually seen both so I know it’s true.

Nicole: I saw the macro on oh, Episode 320 minutes in.

Trish: Okay, I’ll write that down and go and have a look tonight. What did you see?

Nicole: A macro penis.

Trish: Well, that number, but with a real one with a genuine one. You can’t actually use it. Give it a read because Yeah, well, sorry. I guess it depends how macro the macro is. But um, yes, I get lots of men contacting me through the website. Just complete, you know, wanting to in idea payments. And when the inquiries first started coming through the system in 2013. I was like, Oh my god, yes. Some people are just like, why are they doing this? You know why? They just wanting to talk dirty or talk sexy? Like, why? You know, why are they getting off on just talking about things? And then my husband said to me, no, no, no, this could be genuine. You need to ask those inquiries. And I did. And there were so many men out there that obviously had an issue with the size of their penis, it was really sad. Because if there’s even something that a girlfriend said five years ago, whatever that just stuck in their heads, and it happens with girls as well, like a lot of girls, and that when you said stuck in their heads, you use your knees.

Rhi: Absolutely true. And a lot of the men that used to come through, they would have erection issues. And a lot of those were around the fact that, Yep, someone had mentioned something or someone had said something or they didn’t perform on these one night and then all of a sudden it was in their head and they just sort of couldn’t look past that.

Nicole: Imagine if you said to someone it’s not in and they said at ease.

Trish: Or if you just said it isn’t in yet.

Rhi: Well, look, I also love to see both a macro and a micro. Yeah, yeah. It’s like one of those mythical creatures. It’s not true.

Trish:I know. Wow. Like I know. I know. It’s been a while. It must be said that women with breasts like I can’t think of anything like I had breast reduction. And I wouldn’t understand why anybody would want to have breast implants at all because I just want to get rid of might be having to be flossing.

Nicole:Do you know that there’s a Medicare item number for labias that are beyond five centimeters.

Trish: What do we mean oh like they long?

Nicole: Yes, there’s a lot of women who have life years that you know, 10 centimeters long that hang and they have to tuck it up to wear active pants. Really? Yes. Yes. I didn’t know about these until I was speaking to the gynecologist Sonia Jessup about labias. And she said, No, no, it’s not always aesthetics. There is actually an item number through Medicare. If you’re maybe beyond five centimeters, you qualify for the item number.

Trish: Well, I’ve got to be honest, I get it from the last 10 years that there’s such a thing as an alley for women. That’s not your belly button. I had no idea. I was like, really?

Nicole: Like, what did you think they all were?

Trish: I thought they were all at ease. I didn’t realize it was such a thing as an area. I was like, What?

Rhi: Yeah. And you know what, by people who have outis when they see any for the first time they’re like, like, like what you did there? What do you mean? Like, where was it? Like, where is it?

I know, we know it. I guess it’s all in your upbringing, because I can remember as a child going to, because my Dad, I’m of Italian heritage my dad’s doing. He’s got he’s got hair on his chest. He’s got just as much hair on his back. And so I grew up with that. I can remember going to the beach program one day and seeing a bloke on the beach with no hair. I was like, Is he okay? I had no idea that they were mean. I was like, What the hell is that? Okay, what’s happened?

Rhi: I have the question Nicole, so if the item number is a for a labia that is longer than five centimeters? I mean, five centimeters is a good length. Like, what is the average length of a lady? Because I would think that five centimeters is quite long for.

Nicole: Um, yes, no, no, there’s people who have 10-15 centimeter labias airy long, the need to be removed and not surgically removed to be aesthetically pleasing. But because it is uncomfortable to have to say so comfortable walking, walking around.

Rhi: Of course. Yeah. It’s become a lifestyle. You know, yeah, I have an interest in aesthetics. That is, yeah, there you go.

Nicole: I’m looking it up right now as we speak.

Trish: I’ve just Google it so yeah, up to 50% of women may have a large labia.

Rhi: Well, there you go. Labia that is more than five centimeters long and doesn’t like it, either aesthetically or for last I’ll go speak to you gonna call it

Nicole: Eight centimeters. Sorry. So I also packed your vulva plus your labia party in a patient aged 18 years or more performed by a specialist in a practice of the specialists specialty for the structural abnormality that is causing significant functional impairment if the patient’s labium extends more than eight centimeters, beyond the vaginal intro to this interraverse on an eye while the patient is standing in a resting position.

Trish: Can you imagine? I mean, that would be awful. Like, you know, like, you’d want to get up. If you weren’t, yeah, I don’t even know how I’ve been waiting to turn 18.

: mean, especially in today’s world. Absolutely. I mean, I guess it’s exactly like women who have breast reduction, Stan. I mean having, you know, I was the size. I was being I think before I had my first breast reduction done. I mean, like, I couldn’t find a bra to fit me, huh. Yeah.

Nicole: So you’re looking now since your last reduction?

Rhi: Yeah, look, they’re not looking too bad. I’m looking at just it’s unfortunate I mean genetically, despite my surname being mixed topless, and Trish disliking me for a number of years, because she thought I was Greek.

Trish: Because I think my first husband was great. And he wasn’t very nice.

Rhi: She automatically thought that I was great. My background is Indian. So my dad is part Indian. So I’m just a cuboid, unfortunately. So it doesn’t really matter what I do. I do end up keyboarding. So yeah, look, I still wouldn’t change it for anything. I would do it again. And again, if I could, I mean, as Trish said, I would also love to go smaller, I’d be happy with a small C, I would be so thrilled. But I just have quite a naturally wide bus. So it’s just not physically possible to do that. But yeah, no, everything’s going well Nicole.

Trish: What about you with your bird’s eye view of the want to have a reduction? Are you all alike?

Nicole: I had liposuction of my breasts when I was 15.

Trish: Didn’t work?

Nicole: Out for a short time it did. But that was because the plastic surgeon wouldn’t do a proper reduction, which in hindsight, was a blessing because I breastfed for children. And then I couldn’t have done that had I had reduction. But they were so big. And I was like, you know, a frigid young teenager who’d never had a boyfriend with these huge boobs. And every time I’d walk anywhere, like if you walk past the worksite men would whistle and yell stuff out, you know, show us your tits. You know, it was terrible. punches. I never swim. Like I love the water. I love the ocean and the pool. But no, I differ all those years, like as a teenager from like, I don’t know, I suppose 13 to a couple of years, I know refused to put a costume on, quit dancing. I used to dance full time, like during school and after school. Not really affected my life when I’m in puberty and had these huge breasts I couldn’t run, couldn’t do anything. So liposuction was the only alternative and I went to the local private hospital, and it did make a difference. Right down to like a double day, which was still big. But it was more like large breasts, I guess. And I was still, people still looking like I still felt very conscious of them. If that makes sense. Um, but you know, I would much prefer to have smaller breasts. Get breast implants.

Trish: And it’s really funny, because one after I had my first production went one of my favorite things, in fact, my ultimate outcome, although I reckon they kind of get bigger over time. And I don’t know, I don’t know if it’s nice. But anyway, one of my favorite things about having done was just the fact that you could walk down the street, and you weren’t looking at men’s faces whose eyes were fixated on your boobs, because you just walked down the street and I could see if you’re looking at faces, you just see men walking with whoever and all they were looking at was your breasts. It’s really becoming uncomfortable. That was my favorite thing about having my boobs on is the fact that that didn’t happen. It was bloody beautiful. I loved it.

Rhi: How old were you when you had yours done, Trish?

Trish: I have it done in 2011. Okay, so having that one guys. for you guys. Yes. 50. Yeah, yes. 48.
I was pretty old when I had it done cause I was scared. Obviously scared to have, you know, like it like you see all the scars. And you look, it was scary. But it was, yeah, good. So I think I had it done.

Rhi: It’s definitely worth it. I was a bit like Nicole. I mean, I went to my first plastic surgeon, I think I was around 17. I was like a developer, I literally woke up one morning at like, 15. And I had these huge boobs. Like I was a Double D. When I woke up I had Double D boobs. And I was tiny. Like I was a stick figure. And it was at the time where they had the five cougars added. And so grown men would come up to the street and be like, oh, have five cougars. Thanks. And I mean, I was like, What are they talking about? Mum? Like, I don’t know, if you knew me, like what is happening. And the first plastic surgeon I went to said that I was too young. And obviously I still have a lot of, you know, hormonal changes and things to happen. And then I went back at 23. And he said, Are you thinking about having children at that point I was and he said, Just wait so you can breastfeed and then I kind of just, you know, I put it off and I waited and then I got to 30 and I just thought, Well, you know what? Now now’s the time. So I did it. And I also was really concerned about the scarring and things like that. But at the end of the day, like 99% of people who see you do not see you naked and do not see your scars. Do you know what I mean, that’s only going to be yourself and like, you know, 1% of people. So yeah, look, I definitely recommend it to anybody who’s thinking about having it done. It was an absolute game changer.

Trish: And have you ever tried using lasers on your scalp? Because people like Tommy Thompson or it’s awesome, and they go and have life on that scares me something. Oh, my God, it’s an open wound and you’re going to actually make it even, you know, I’ve never had loads on my scalp because I just don’t have it.

Rhi: Yeah, look, I mean, I have and there’s two different types that you can do. I mean, the first approach you should always take when you’re looking to use any energy based devices for scarring is a vascular laser. That can be the form of an IPL that can be a pulsed dye laser, that can be, you know, a 530 to even a 1064. And basically what you’re trying to do is you’re trying to decrease the vascularity of that scar, so either the redness of the scar, and there are contributing factors to the vascular supply to hypertrophic scars, and even keyway scars. So that should be the first thing that you should be doing. If you do have scars at the end of the day, it can take anywhere from 12 to 18 months for a scar to basically complete its remodeling process and its period. So you know, you’re always going to have a decrease in redness anyway. But treating scars early on with a vascular laser is your first step, you really shouldn’t be bringing out your co2s until you’ve got a true hypertrophic scar. And that can be a minimum of sort of like four to six months down the track. You know, co2 lasers really sort of came out or became popular, let’s say the early 2000s. And there were a lot of plastic surgeons in particular that were utilising them or offering them as a part of their services. It was once said, people have had tummy tucks and things like that, they were using them too soon. And what was actually happening, it was basically breaking open the wound, again, with a rasor you’ve got complete vaporisation or ablation of the tissue, and then a period of or sorry, an area of coagulation. So where they completely blinded the tissue that just weakened where the actual scar was, and then you would get widening of the scar tissue. So instead of you know, having a nice thin line, you ended up with a lot of widening, you could end up with some atrophy and things like that. So vascular lasers should always be the first line approach when looking at energy based devices and scarring. And then potentially down the track, if you do have like a very thick or a racecar utilising something like you say go to with the use of laser assisted drug delivery of steroids.

Trish: So when you say better laser is that like a fractional laser?

Rhi: No, so most vascular lasers won’t be fractional, and basically what they’re doing is they’re targeting the hemoglobin, and they basically heat up the blood supply, he coagulate, and then the body’s lymphatic system comes along and basically gobbles that away and clears it up. And it’s the same laser that we use for people who have rosacea or people who have PIE, which is Posting Inflammatory Erythema, which most people will get from like acne scars. But it’s working on the vascular component of the scar. And then you can do your retexturing, or your remodelling with like your sigo twos, and then your even your non ablative fractionated lasers, you can use those as well, they are less aggressive. So they’re probably a better choice to use over your over your co2 lasers, which are an aggressive form of scarring modeling, we use them in burns, we need to use them in burns, because we can have scar thicknesses up to sort of like seven to 10 millimeters thick at any given time. So we need to be able to have that depth but most people have surgical scars, they don’t extend beyond a couple of mil thick.

Trish: Yeah. And if someone was having that, so how do you know who said they use it, they use it too soon. So what would be a good time to start that sort of treatment if you wanted to?

Rhi: Yes, there’s a lot of clinical studies actually, that say that you can start using a vascular laser as soon as the sutures come out. I’m not the biggest fan personally, of that, I find the areas just a little bit too sensitive. And although the sutures are out, sometimes this skin is still going through its healing stages. So, I personally like to wait around six weeks. I think six weeks is a good timeframe to start your vascular laser. And then realistically, you shouldn’t have to be looking at your co2 or your other non ablative fractionated lasers until you start to get thickening of the scar. But before you get a thickening of the scar, there’s lots of things that you can and you should be doing. So compression is the first one that you should be doing. And my preference is actually using something like a silicon tape. So like a surgical tape. When I had my breast reduction done, I jumped onto a precise medicals and I got the actual there were the areola, silicon pads and they extended down. I didn’t bother getting the ones that go all the way around because I only had a small incision scar underneath my breast fold. So he’s definitely doing that and they should be really doing that for a minimum of three months and then massage every day. That’s probably one of the best things that people can do. And this is on all scars. It’s not just you know about breast reduction scars, it can be on any form of scar. So yeah, massaging every day using your silicone pads and then your basketball laser. A lot of doctors will use intralesional steroids as well if they are finding the scars starting to thicken up. My preference is that is when you would want to use a an ablative laser so using a signatory laser for example, on low settings basically to use it to deliver the topical still the steroids into the tissue where you want and it’s a lot easier to deliver at the right depth using a co2 to drill holes and then the steroid over the top than it is to actually injected into the area. But that usually would happen around kind of like four or five Even six months, post surgery. Yeah. And then again, it’s not until you’ve got a true hypertrophic scar that you would bring out a co2.

Trish: Yeah, that makes so much sense. Like, because I have seen where it’s done too soon. And that’s where they get those kind of big, long ridges, isn’t it? Because I’ve seen when I’m thinking that might have just been left, it would have been anyway.

Rhi: Yeah, sometimes it happens, especially on high tension areas like your tummy. Unfortunately, sometimes it just happens that recently doing a co2 treatment too early, it can just increase that potential risk of wound breakdown, and obviously, potentially the hypertrophy of the wound itself.

Trish: Yeah, yeah. All right. So we’ve moved, we’ve moved from how that happened. Going back to the nether regions, yeah. Are there any other exciting things, like, are not exciting, but you know, it’s something different. I mean, it talks about being totally different.

Rhi: I’m trying to think I mean, we’ve already spoken about, obviously, lightening of the area, we’ve obviously spoken about laser vaginal rejuvenation. And we’ve already seen in about the filler. So, you know, fill out for that particular area, I mean, look, we’ve obviously got your shot. And your patients, they also, you know, big on trend. And that’s where you obviously take, you know, PRP and you obviously re-inject back into the area. So is that the P shop? Yes, the P shop for the men and the O is for the female, and that gets injected directly into the clitoris, they can also inject it into the G spot that you should read that though is, it’s very difficult to find your G spot or someone else find it, okay, you know where it is, and you can kind of direct them to it, that’s okay. But it’s very difficult to find somebody else’s G spot, then insert a syringe with a needle on the end into the dryer, and then obviously into the J spot. So we sort of just inject it and just kind of hope for the best in terms of we kind of get the rough area. But yeah, certainly that’s also a big, big on trend procedure as well.

Trish: Yeah. And you know what this is, I guess this is just the tip of the iceberg because that because I think as, as new procedures come out, new treatments come out if you’re going to find out more, but I do want to share with you a funny story you were mentioning before that Nicole had had lots of vaginal rejuvenation, I think, Nicole, I thought why are you going and muscle talking about saying just the tip? Well, I can remember when the massage chair first came out, being at a conference. And I was like there’s no conjugations, pretty much anyone can sit on it, like, and I do have a spawn patient, but that’s fine. That’s not too far away, wherever. So I had to like spread my bad cheeks and kind of sit on a chair and I just have you know, these pants on and, and are sitting there like you’re not going to feel a thing. You’re not going to feel anything, it’s gonna be fine or sickness. This is actually burning my vagina. And I’m like, I sat there for a minute and I was like, Oh my God, is there something wrong with me? And I said to him, look, this is actually really burning my vagina. And he’s like, no, no, it shouldn’t. I just said I can’t sexually burn my vagina. And oh my god, I was actually wearing a bodysuit with the press stubble. I know. I probably still if I look down that I probably have a problem. So what marks where it was? So do not wear Preston’s brisk pressed underwear or anything like that when you’re doing it. But that was funny. That was one of my funny moments.

Rhi: Yeah, I mean look, again, it’s definitely a popular treatment and it’s a great treatment. I mean, that’s targeting your pelvic floor directly working on the muscle and your core strength. So yeah, anyone who suffers from obviously stress urinary incontinence that any pelvic floor issues, that’s going to be the right train for what’s involved in.

Trish: Like what you said before, it’s not like going like, it’s like when you go to the gym and you build up the muscles, you can’t just stop and expect that muscle to remain. So you build yourself up within those chairs. I think you kind of learn how to use your pillow, you can feel your pelvic floor muscles going and that way you learn where they are and how you can actually act by themselves. And then you can actually maintain that, you know, exercise later if you hold which I’m not but you know, if you are.

Rhi: We need to get one in your sauna. That’s why we need to invent a chair in your sauna so you can do work on your pelvic floor. Why? Yeah, ya sweat it out? What? Yeah.

Trish: I kind of like watching movies there though. Oh, really? Yes. My phone overheats. And then No, it’s got a little door that that you can actually open the door and it’s got a middle thing is you put your phone or your iPad and then you shut the door and it says, cool. I can’t say it’s really cool. I know. I know. Your naked body in your bath. Yeah, I know that sound, fam. Oh, that’s out now. Yeah. I think I was waiting outside the door to come into the sauna. Yeah. It’s amazing. It’s amazing. Man. I know, I’m lucky I live with all men. Or unlucky. I’ve always put that frickin toilet seat down. That’s my complaint. The rest is great. Well, never gonna say it’s been so nice on to you when we’ve been really looking forward to starting something juicy. And something that is relevant to all of us too, as well. But also something that people want to know about. Because we do get asked about it all the time and it’s so much fun. Yeah, it’s hard to say what it’s good when someone else speaks about it rather than, you know, our own personal experience. You can speak about it from a professional point of view and an experiential point of view as well. So before we go, what’s your next wish treatment on the list? Nicole the cost out with you? What if you could have whatever you wanted done tomorrow? What would you have?

Nicole: Oh, goodness, and he started with me. Oh, my goodness. Oh, do you know what actually? No, this is not hard because of the lockdown. I desperately need some anti wrinkle to look forward to moving.

Trish: It’s not that bad.

Nicole: I haven’t had any injections if anything for ages because I was jus and then we had locked down. And then I’ve just not gone.

Trish: Okay with you when you have last summer when? When that clinic opened and you had a yes with less money? Yes. Yes, I was with you then. So that was a long time ago. It would have been about 12 times since then. That was when I was living in Wales. Yeah. November last year. Yeah. Yes. Real simple. You just want a villa.

Nicole: I just need some injection. Yes. Even if I just have anti wrinkle just to get Botox. I’d be happy. Yeah.

Rhi: Well, you’ve got an open wish list Nicole. You got to have something else. Exactly.

Nicole: Oh, really? Um, oh, no, no, what I’ve always wanted is that I’ve never had the Tribe Bella. That was what Ray was going to do on me. But then I had another treatment coming up at Cynosure. So I couldn’t get it done. Usually. Half it’s like this big treatment.

Trish: But at the IPL first, what’s next?

Rhi: Diamond Polar and then the nano fractional Ray, she’s an expert at this procedure. And I reckon we could do a separate dedicated podcast too, absolutely.

Trish: Well, me, you know, I would love I would absolutely love to just have a neck lift and I might add my tack shop arms done. So I’m off for the surgery as well. I love to have.

Rhi: I’d love to have the life around my chin because I did have belcarra. And that didn’t really work that well on me. I’d love that. And I’ve also got some migrating filler from like about five years ago that I would love to have dissolved. And then maybe if I’ve got flat lips, maybe it’s a little bit put into kind of pump them up a little bit. But I don’t. I don’t like the migrating filler at the moment.

Trish: It’s so funny, because I wouldn’t have even known at like, you know, things I wouldn’t even have known that you had any filler?

Rhi: Yeah, yeah, I’ve got some memory leaks from like that five years ago. And I just started to notice it’s definitely migrated and it just bothers me. So that would be what I would be having done. Yeah,

Trish: Actually no one other thing I would ever look it up because we’re on video I can show you. I don’t know if you can see but years ago, I was a model for this, like it was a filler thing. And what he did was the theory behind it was what he did was when you started getting jowls, you filled them so that you couldn’t find the job. Which means now I’ve got these two boards are art and the filler that they use kind of set on your bone and kind of increase your bone if that makes any sense. I know that I’m speaking like a lay person here. That’s kind of I was just like, oh my god, just give it to me give it to me. I wasn’t even paying attention to what it was thinking that this is going to fix my things. And ever since then I’ve had these two like men draw things that I’d love to kind of have that fall down but that’s probably impossible. Well, let’s go out. The filler wasn’t even permanent but it’s been like about six years now. It’s still there. Yeah, maybe I lay it out in the area where I cut my laser because it’s one that can’t be highlighted. Anyway, so that one to stop shop. Yeah. So be careful, be careful what you wish for. Yeah. Or thank you so much for joining us, Rhi and thanks for coming back, Nicole.

Rhi: Thanks for having me.

Trish: And I’m sorry that I missed the first our first tech because it was so good as well. But the second one was on to the first chat and it was almost all right. And the first one says probably just as well. Ah, it was a trial run.

Exactly, exactly. Alright. Ladies, thank you so much for joining us this evening.

Thank you. I enjoy your lockdowns. Bye bye



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