Vivien Gardiner on Jan Marini Skincare

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In this podcast, I really can’t hide my excitement as I talked to Vivien, the Managing Director of JMSR Australia. She discussed how they first came about Jan Marini Skin Research, what’s inside their five steps Skin Care Management System™, and their recent Hyla3D™ Face Cream. ✨
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Transcript- Vivien Gardiner on Jan Marini Skincare

Trish 

Hello, listeners. It’s Trish Hammond here from the Aesthetics Uncensored podcast. And today, we’re going to be talking about something that’s really close to my heart, we’re going to be talking about skincare. And we’re going to be talking about one of my uber favourite ranges because I use it every single day and I am a little bit obsessed with myself. So today we’re talking about Jan Marini, really. And I’m joined by the wonderful Vivien Gardiner. Now Vivien is actually the Managing Director of JMSR, which is Jan Marini Skin Research in Australia and we’re going to find out all about skincare today so I’m going to learn heaps as well. So I’m really excited. So welcome.

Vivien

Hi, Trish. Thank you for having me.

Trish  

Oh, pleasure. Thank you so much. I’ve been looking forward to this for so long, because the more I talk and listen, the more I learn.

Vivien 

I know, that is so true. If we should all be more like that shouldn’t we? 

Trish    

I know there is a saying and they reckon that teaching is learning and repetition is the mother of skill. So I figure the more I hear and listen and learn, the more I’m going to be able to learn and share and teach as well.

Vivien  

Fantastic. Thanks for having me. 

Trish  

Our pleasure. Thank you so much for being here. So tell me you know that I’m an absolute gem or any junkie, there’s no doubt about it. I’m full blown. I do everything right in the morning, I do everything right at night, I do my sunblock during the day, and my skin has changed so much since I started using it. There’s no doubt about it. I look at photos of myself, probably 10 years ago, 10-15 years ago, and I reckon I look better or puff my hair which I’ve left grey, but I reckon I look better now and I know that it comes down to good skincare. So before we even start talking about skin care, tell us you can see I’m excited, can’t you? But anyway, so tell us how did you guys start? Like what tell me like where did generally even start? How did it come about?

Vivien 

Alright, so Jan herself started MD formulations in the early 80s so she was the pioneer of medical grade skin care or clinical grade skin care and that was a brand that really took the world by storm. It was really popular in Australia and we opened a separate retail Laser Clinic. It was initially in the late 90s in Glenferrie Road Melbourne and we were looking for a skincare range to stock. But we didn’t want to do MD formulations because Jan had since sold that business and had started her own, which we weren’t really sure about at the time. We didn’t want to take on MD formulations because it was kind of the brand that was in every single salon and skin clinic in Australia at the time so we were looking for something that might be a step up from that. So we went to the US and you know, research ranges, etc., to research what was going on there, because that’s where all the technology is. So we went sourcing our lasers from the US and we looked for skincare as well. Anyway, a colleague of ours landed on this brand and expressed his enthusiasm for it so it kind of developed from there. We went to Jan Marini, we approached them and asked them who the distributor was in Australia so that we could source it and they invited us to be the distributors as they were just a startup in Silicon Valley in California. And they were only just expanding globally or looking to expand globally so we took the agency and it just developed from there. We learned as we went, they were very pleased to have us on board because we could provide the clinical data for them. So they were making the formulations and we could give them lots of feedback, which worked really well. It was a great, synergistic relationship in the beginning. And Jan has since become one of our great friends and her team is absolutely amazing. A lot of the senior executives have come from a background with Cutera. So John Connors, who is the president and CEO of Jan Marini at the moment, was one of the founders, or the co-founder of Cutera Laser so he has a long experience in the industry. A lot of the senior execs, as I said, have come from Cutera so they’re, it’s a team that is really deeply embedded. Have me in the clinical side if that makes sense. But they also have a fantastic company to work with and their culture is absolutely amazing. They were you know, they embodied all of the things that we in corporate governance now consider to be must haves, they have been like that from the very beginning so they’ve been wonderful partners. And, you know, we were just so excited to be part of this amazing revolution in skincare really is revolutionary.

Trish 

And you know what, kudos to you guys. Because it’s so not easy to kind of start a brand from or, you know, promote a brand from scratch so you guys have done really well. But obviously, it wouldn’t have happened if it wasn’t an exceptional product as well.

Vivien  

Exactly. I think that’s so true, Trish. You know that my background is Nursing. I’m a Theatre RN, by train, or was practising theatre RN and I just thought, you know, skincare skincare, I didn’t really have a great belief or faith in what skincare could do. But when we first tried this product, I had very problems skin myself, and I couldn’t believe the change in three days, just using a couple of things that I’ve been given at a medical conference in the US so we decided this was the brand we had to have and it was an easy sell, because it’s so effective.

Trish 

And you know, one of the things that I loved about because I’ve, of course, tried a lot of skincare over the years, and chucked something else in and I couldn’t find myself going back. But I’ve tried a lot of stuff here but what I loved about the Jan Marini range, which is probably my favourite thing, is the fact that when I got it, I bought that I don’t even know what’s called, but I bought the box that had the five pieces in it and you had number one, number two, number three, number one and five. And it actually gave me really detailed instructions of when to use which numbers in what order. And I know, that’s really, you think, oh my god, how to use it, but the thing is, as a consumer, you don’t know what to use, I mean, I’ll come to a clinic, you’re going to tell me what to do but unless it’s actually there on the even if it’s on a bit of paper, I’m gonna lose it but because it’s actually was on the actual bottles themselves, I had the numbers there, it just got me into the habit. So now of course after years and years of using it, I don’t need those numbers anymore.

Vivien  

I know exactly what to do.

Trish 

I love that because you’ve made it really easy to use, and you’ve got those extra little add on.

Vivien  

Sure, yeah, you can build out your regime to suit the issues that you’re trying to address. 

 I think the great thing about having a skincare management system is we see it as the single solution so it’s not a product, it’s five products that work together. They interrelate at a biochemical level. It’s not like choosing a retinol and choosing a vitamin C, the whole system is designed to work together as a unit and so that’s why it’s so effective. I think a lot of providers, we skin services providers, are very keen to cherry pick. So we’ll say, well, this company makes a nice vitamin C, so we’ll use that and that company makes a nice vitamin A, so we’ll use that this other company makes a nice cleanser so we’ll use that. But the problem with doing that is that those products might be good on their own. But once you start to integrate them with each other, they’re not formulated or designed to be used together and so they’re never going to be as effective. And in fact, they can sometimes cause problems. And the issue is that the ingredients of product A might be neutralising new ingredients of product B so the great thing about this skincare management system is it is designed as a unit to work all together.

Trish  

Yeah, and you know what I’m a great believer of when you do use the same stuff, because I know that some people do use stuff from here and there. But I do believe that it needs to be that it needs to work in conjunction with excellence. So one plus two doesn’t equal three, it equals kind of, you know, five, if that makes any sense. That’s right, but I know exactly what you mean. Because I’ve had that experience myself where I’ve mixed stuff up, and then I’ve ended up with a big, dry patch and that’s, you don’t think like things like that here and there because I you know, obviously shouldn’t mix some stuff together. 

Vivien

I think the obvious thing is that if the ingredients aren’t formulated to enhance each other’s bioavailability and capability, you just don’t get the results that you’re after. So you know where we’re so educated as women to use products that over promise and under deliver. And really, that’s why this range is such a game changer because it really delivers. It provides extraordinary results and we’ve been seeing that for 20 years we’ve been doing this, and we just can’t believe the results that we get both in our own clinic, but also from our business partners who report to us all the amazing results they’re getting, that’s not to say 100% of people will get an amazing result because some people have the types of skin conditions that are harder to resolve. Sometimes people react to something in the products, you know, there might be some ingredient that doesn’t agree with them but overall, in the majority of cases, you will get a very profound and very rapid positive response.

Trish 

And so tell us, can we run through like a bit of the like, I know, everyone has different needs for different skin but can we run through like a couple like, say, for example, if we start first with someone who is looking for something anti ageing? Because like, is skincare just 

anti ageing? Or do you cater to all age groups?

Vivien  

No, it’s for every age group and every skin issue. So we get extraordinary results, managing sun damage, acne rosacea, any of the common skin conditions that people might present with, we can tailor a program for them, but we always start them on the skincare management system so that’s like the universal start off to reduce inflammation in the skin. Most skin problems are caused by inflammation and that’s a very complex process and biological process of inflammation of the skin. Pardon me, Jan Marini has some extraordinary technologies that they’ve developed and they’ve got peptides, that they have patents on numerous peptides so they’re their own peptides that they build. They don’t source them from the big industrial chemical suppliers, they don’t get some other lab or business to make them for them. They actually make their own peptides and they have worked out how to trigger very specific signals in the skin to calm inflammation down. So it’s a really extraordinary depth of knowledge that they have, and an extraordinary formulation expertise so you can see that from the results. And I think that the focus on anti inflammatory ingredients is what has made them so successful across all the various skin conditions you can imagine.

Trish   

Yeah, we know, it’s funny that you said that because like, I believe, I don’t know if I’m right or wrong but inflammation has only been like a buzzword for skin recently, isn’t it? Like, it makes so much sense? Because it’s almost like, anything that’s wrong with you kind of almost starts with inflammation in the body as well.

Vivien  

And then this idea of the microbiome of the skin. You know, I first presented on that in 2013, 

I think, one of the medical conferences in Australia and I had been talking about the microbiome with Jan, for a long time for many years before that, went to a lot of skin courses in the US, which were run by research, medical research scientists and all the major universities, they’re fantastic courses to do you really learn a lot about what the research is showing. So I think that that whole inflammation thing, the microbiome thing, it’s all interrelated. We became aware of it first through gut health studies, but it’s equally true in regard to the skin so people have tried to draw a link between those two things, gut health and skin health. The scientists still say it’s a tenuous link, and it’s not proven, but you know, there’s some evidence to suggest it might be true, but certainly inflammation, it’s going to make your skin look terrible. You know, it’s going to upset your gut. It’s going to make your joints ache, all those sorts of things. They may be connected, they may not be, but certainly from a skin point of view. Jan Marini knows how or JMSR, Jan Marini Skin Research, the company, knows how to formulate ingredients that will intervene in that inflammatory process.

Trish 

Okay, so, so say for example, if I’ve got, like, an early 20 year old who has never really done something, a male. So, it’s saying, don’t look after this skin, but now they have decided they want to start to pick up this skin. So they could actually just start with that one to five program?

Vivien 

Yes, absolutely. And I’ll give you a little tip, we have a men’s kit on the way, which is absolutely fantastic. It’s simpler. It’s a full product regime but certainly it contains the ingredients that really men’s skin responds to very well. Men’s skin is always oilier, thicker, it’s denser, it has way more follicles in it than women’s skin. It requires some quite specific routines to try and keep it looking as good as it can.

Trish 

Yep. So the 25 year old boy could use it. And so for example, a woman who’s in her early 40s, who thinks, Oh, my God, I desperately need to start using good stuff on my skin and I’ve been using all of these for the last few years. Yes, they could start with a quick start and stay with the same pack. 

Vivien 

Absolutely set. That’s what we always recommend you get started with. It’s, you know, it’s always about budget, some people get frightened by the cost of buying five products, and are they all really necessary? Look, it’s not like you can’t use just a couple of products but you’re going to get the best result, the best outcome by using that kit, because it’s introducing all of the ingredients that go to make a positive change in your skin. So we start with the glycolic cleanser, which is going to help to break down some of that corneum cohesion on the epidermis. It’s a wash off product so it’s not like you’re stripping your skin dry, or you’re going to thin your epidermis. It’s just enough to get rid of that dead cell layer on the surface over a period of time and it acts at a microscopic level so it’s quite easy to use, and it leaves your skin with a lovely glowy finish.

Trish

That’s the Bioglycolic Face Cleanser, basically. Yes, you know, what I love about that is I like to wash my face. I like that feeling of not being so fresh and that feeling of washing my face not just putting cream on it, if that makes any sense.

Vivien  

I totally get you Trish. Yeah, I love a clean face.

Trish

And so that’s step number one. And that’s morning and night.

Vivien 

Yes, that’s right. You don’t need a lot of it, you just need to massage it onto dry skin and it’s so effective. You know, people want to double cleanse and do all this fancy stuff you don’t need and you don’t need to tone either. That’s the other big myth about women’s skincare. If it rinses cleanly, you shouldn’t need to tone and the problem with toners is they always contain an ingredient that you’re leaving on your skin and it may not be an ingredient that’s going to work with the further products that you’re applying. So the glycolic cleanser, you just massage it onto dry skin, rinse it off really well and dry your face and your skin absolutely sings after it. It just feels so healthy. 

Trish 

Yeah, I love it. And you know what, I’ve heard that before that tone and because I did a YouTube video cleanse, tone, moisturise and then I learned maybe 5 to 10 years ago that wasn’t the right thing to do anymore because things change.

Vivien 

Unless you’re using a cleanser that needs to be chemically neutralised or broken down. If you’ve got a cleanser that rinses cleanly and is doing its job, you can drop your toner afterwards, hopefully.

Trish   

That’s number one. And number two, which is that I don’t even know how to say I just call it the C-ESTA.

Vivien 

The serum. That’s an amazing technology, which Jan developed with a medical academic in the US, his name is Nicholas Perricone and they developed that in the 80s. And that was actually the reason that she left MD formulations because they didn’t want to go down the vitamin C analog route. They were happy with their AHAs and BHAs so that really triggered her to start her own company and that was Jan Marini Skin Research. When I say her and company, she doesn’t have any shareholders at all and I think that’s a really important point to grasp. Because once you get shareholders in, the whole structure changes, so a lot of skincare companies have private equity investment, but then the focus becomes or, you know, the outcomes that they’re looking for, to suit shareholders rather than consumers. So the vitamin C technology that she developed, eventually Jan Marini Skin Research now owns the patent for it. It’s an analogue of ascorbic acid molecules and it has a paramedic acid chain attached at a certain position so there are a lot of analogs because Jan Marini owns the patent for that particular molecule. A lot of other companies and developers kind of got around the patent by positioning that palmitic acid chain at a different position on the ascorbic acid molecule. But the problem with doing that is it’s not as effective, it has a different bioavailability in the skin and there are all sorts of other reasons. So we’ve got the scientific data that shows how effective this molecule is against other molecules, similar molecules, and indeed against ascorbic acid and the reason that this particular molecule was developed was because ascorbic acid is needs to be in such an acidic base in order to remain stable, that it’s not really suitable for long term use. So I don’t know if you remember a brand called Select C, which was very famous for a period of time, that was an ascorbic acid product.

Trish

I had a little bit of a bell. Yeah, that’s a long time ago.

Vivien 

It was a long time ago, would have been at least 20 years ago, 25 years ago. But it was, you know, it was a great innovative product, but it couldn’t be used long term. So that’s the issue with a lot of vitamin C products, if they’re not made lipid soluble, and the pH raised, they can’t be used effectively over a long period of time and the idea of Vitamin C is you need to apply it daily for your skin to reap the benefits from it because it has a very short life in the skin. So just applying at once a week or so isn’t really very helpful in terms of vitamin C, because it does need to get to the cellular lipid layer.

Trish  

With the C-ESTA, do you use that everyday though?

Vivien  

Yes, every day. And you can use it twice a day, if you like. But the great thing about Jan Marini and his formulation, the C-ESTA serum formulation, is that it also contains DMEA, which is dimethylaminoethanol and that is a great carrier vehicle, and a fantastic antioxidant as well so it kind of doubles the value of that product. It’s a beautiful product to use, you only need a tiny, tiny amount. It spreads really well and the great thing about all of Jan Marini’s products is the less is more, the more you use, the more it’s just going to congeal on the surface of your skin and not deliver like it should. So keep that in mind when you’re using it, use it very sparingly. It will last longer, obviously it will absorb better, and do its job or carry out its function within the skin more effectively.

Trish  

But you know what I actually went to at one of the conferences, I actually bumped into one of the doctors, they use it and it was a Dermatologist in Melbourne actually. And I was just bragging about the Jin Marini’s range and of course she’s got it in her clinic and ultimately her what I used to and she said to me, do you know what? If I had to only use one product in the world, it would just be the C-ESTA. Yes, that would be good enough for everything she was. She was that one product so much that she’s the one product because I kind of saw the C-EStA serum as a bit of a prep and not gave it as much value. I always thought number three was the most valuable, not valuable, but you know. 

Vivien  

The most critical.

Trish 

Yes, exactly. She’s like yeah, now the C-ESTA is just like she loved it. 

Vivien   

We get lots and lots of feedback about the C-ESTA serum. Most people absolutely love it. They would bathe in it if they could. And then of course, there’s some people who think well, it’s totally unnecessary and I don’t really need it. I’m better off with vitamin A but you know, it’s horses for courses as each to their own. I think the C-ESTA serum is a great product and it’s really important in that system because it actually helps to make other ingredients more bioavailable because of the technologies in it.

Trish  

And so number three so on on the skincare management system that’s the normal skin. That one’s the Bioclear Lotion. So it’s different from the one that I use. 

Vivien   

Yeah, no, that’s the US version. So we’re having a different version in Australia and I think we did it because Jan Marini in the US makes a whole lot of different types of kits and we found it very complicated here. So we said to them, we want to make our own kit, which includes the best of the best, so that we have one kid that really covers a broader range of the population. And they were really excited about that and thought that was a great idea so they actually packaged up in the US. For us, they’re bespoke Australian kits and they provide a better combination of products and ingredients. We believe having done lots of clinical work in our own clinic, on what works best for which person, we found that this was the one that really we could recommend to any skin type, any age and see some really quick outcomes. So I think the population is a little bit different, you have to understand that in Silicon Valley is in California, a large proportion of the population they’re Hispanic, ethnically, but their skin is different. They need to cater to a different audience than the audience that we cater to here. Our biggest ethnic, ethnically diverse group, I guess, you would say, is Asian so we needed a kit that works really well on Caucasian skin and people of Asian background. And so I think that’s why we thought it would be better to have our own bespoke Australian kit. And since then, Jan Marini in the US has decided, yes, we’re going to make that kit as well for our US audience, let’s say the proportion of their consumers who would use that kit, less than then ours here. So we have the retinol plus as the step three in our kit here and it’s the most amazing product because it’s a vitamin A retinol, all trans Retinol is the type of retinol molecule that we use. The vitamin A is combined with the patented peptides from JMSR and that’s very difficult to do, it’s very difficult. It took them years to develop this technology, it’s difficult to formulate peptides with vitamin A, because vitamin A, and peptides require different pH basis, they tend to neutralise each other will particularly the vitamin A will neutralise the peptide, there are a whole lot of there are a whole lot of formulation, complexities that generally have been able to overcome. So the combination of peptides with the vitamin A makes that product very easy to use and there’s very low levels of inflammation. Vitamin A always gives you inflammation if it’s an effective molecule so by combining the peptides in that formulation, the inflammation or the inflammatory process is neutralised so you get the effect and the benefit of the vitamin A. And I know from our clinic, our doctors used to say if you’re not getting the inflammation, it’s not working, because it’s the inflammation that gives you the result. But as you know, the clinical data shows otherwise. And I think everyone’s evolved from that thinking that was very 80s and 90s type thinking. Yeah, yeah, I think now people realise that it doesn’t, you don’t need to be red like a balloon like you used to be with Retinol A, you know, all swollen and red and scaly and inflamed to get the result, you can actually achieve exactly the same result without all of that negative consequences.

Trish

Well, I love retinol, there’s no doubt about it. But that one you don’t use every day?

Vivien 

That can’t be used every day, but you need to ease into it. So you need to use it maybe once or twice in the first week, two or three, three times in the second week and then you step up to every second day and then ultimately every day. So once your skin is acclimatised to it, you can actually use it twice a day every day and that’s without any problems at all. Occasionally you might get some superficial, peeling, just little fun, tiny bits of peeling skin. But then you just step back for a couple of days and then step back into what you were doing. So it’s a kind of, it’s a product that requires some supervision or some advice and so it’s important that clinicians understand how Vitamin A works and how to recommend it and how to guide their clients through it. Because you can get people who panic about that sort of thing, yeah, that they’re having an allergic reaction or that inflammation equals allergy, which they’re not the same thing at all. And generally, vitamin A doesn’t cause any allergies. It’s a molecule that human beings, human skin cells accept quite readily. But it’s the irritation on the surface of the skin that can frighten some people. But look, Retin-A is just if you use it according to the instructions, it is sorry, not Retin-A,  Retinol Plus, I’m thinking Retin-A because Jan Marini’s Chief Scientist is, he designed the formula for Retin-A, so he’s one of the pioneers of Vitamin A technology and he’s an incredible Scientist, he’s a PhD, he works as Vice President of R&D at Jan Marini, he’s very knowledgeable, he owns loads of patents himself so that combination of expertise has been really beneficial in in creating these fabulous products. So the Retinol Plus is a product that we think everyone should use at some point. Some people just can’t tolerate Vitamin A, and that’s fine but most people can when they use the product according to the instructions.

Trish 

And do you reckon with the Retinol, like is that for every age?

Vivien  

Every age because the thing about the retinol is it’s the sort of thing that can strengthen your skin at an early age rather than just have to reverse damage later on. So it will prophylactically keep your skin healthier until you’re at a much later age than if you didn’t use it.

Trish  

Okay, well that kind of makes sense. Because I always thought that for retinol you didn’t have to worry about using it until you’re in your 40s.

Vivien   

No, yeah, we I think we used to think that and I think that was largely based on the problem with the inflammation caused by the old vitamin A products. And you know why would you put yourself through that if you’re young and your skin is very healthy and flawless. You know, why would you put yourself through all that inflammatory process?

Trish  

So you’re gonna use the Retin-A, do you like, when should you use it in the day?

Vivien  

You can use it at either end of the day. One of my team told me the other day that a funny analogy she uses is coffee in the morning and alcohol at night. So that’s C in the morning and vitamin A. Oh, I never heard that before and I really loved it.

Trish

It’s funny because I could actually probably drink alcohol in the morning if I felt like it and I like coffee at night. 

Vivien 

Trish you’re one out of the box.

Trish 

So in that case, if you were gonna just use it say once a day because I was using it once a day and I think it was too much for my skin because I ended up getting too dry. Yeah, but you wouldn’t use it once a day, you would do that at night time if you were good. Yeah. And if you’re going to do it the day but where would you at what number would you apply that in your skin like do you put at the end or at the beginning or no?

Vivien  

Straight after cleansing. So if you’re using vitamin C in the morning, in the evening you cleanse then apply your vitamin A and then your moisturiser, the peptide.

Trish  

Okay great. Perfect. And what about would you tell us about the peptide because that used to be my favourite product before I found out that the C-ESTA is actually my favourite product.

Vivien   

Okay, the peptide is truly an extraordinary product. So we use that straight after semi ablative lasers, laser treatments, raw wounds, burns, anything that requires some topical treatment to reduce inflammation we can put it straight on and we just see extraordinary results. We’ve recently been treating a burnt hand very badly burned on the dorsum of the hand. And using the peptide technologies has just turned it around in a matter of days. You know, it would be great if they made it in 44 gallon drums because we could dunk people, you know, the burns unit at The Alfred would be lining up to get it, it’s really a fantastic product. So those technologies, as I said earlier, patented peptides that generally skin research builds themselves, they build the peptides themselves. Peptides aren’t difficult to build, but they are very, very hard to maintain the stability so the other extraordinary thing about this product is that the peptides are stable and you can see that from the results so it’s a very high concentration of a number of different peptides, patented peptides. You know, formulated in a really easy to use, beautiful to use actually lotion that you use as a moisturiser. It’s very, very hydrating and it just gives your skin such a beautiful blow. It’s an extraordinary product, and it really really absorbs into the skin. It doesn’t sit on the surface like most hydration products will do.

Trish  

Okay, well I do love it. It’s just the texture that I don’t know if it was my favourite product, which I still love, love. But the C-ESTA is still my number one.

Vivien  

It’s my favourite product and our best selling product, honestly, with twice as much peptide as anything else. We just can’t keep it on the shelves. It’s a fantastic product for any age group, you know, for teenagers, right up to we’ve got patients in their 90s, believe it or not to come in and have a facial or have a treatment. You know, everybody. 

Trish 

That would be me. If I can make it there, I may not be okay with it as well. And so the last one of the five steps because I know that like, you know, I don’t want to keep you here all day because I could talk about Jan Marini okay, but tell us about the daily face protector, which is the SPF?

Vivien 

Yes, sure. So the Antioxidant Daily Face Protection is obviously a sun and environment protection product. It’s a really nice product, though to use on top of the peptide is an extra layer of hydration in the mornings and it’s giving you that sun protection as well. It contains some really remarkable technology that is patented, once again, by Jan Marini Skin Research. It’s a technology that absorbs oil during the day so it’s a really remarkable base to use under makeup. So you don’t need to put on a primer or anything because this technology in the antioxidant daily phase protection will actually absorb excess oil, and it’s very selective about its absorption so it doesn’t leave you with a matte finish, it actually leaves you with a nice healthy blow. But when you put makeup on top of it, you don’t get that you know the makeup slippage, the oily patches, dry patches, it all remains very uniform throughout the day so it’s a really lovely daily product. And even if you don’t wear makeup, you can use it just as you know your final step in the morning. And it really gives you a beautiful glow for the day so the antioxidant daily face protection is organic sunscreens or chemical sunscreens. So we’ve done some research on the background of those ingredients and there was recently some information going around about how they were dangerous to coral reefs, these particular ingredients. But look, they’re all the same ingredients that are used in the Anti Cancer Council sunscreens so it’s not like they’re dangerous. We’ve actually found quite a bit of research that shows that zinc has just as profound an effect on coral reefs. Well, when I say profound an effect in a concentrated laboratory experimental environment, but certainly not in nature. It’s not sunscreens that are bleaching coral on mess, they might, they might have an effect locally, during particular, you know, periods of the season where there’s a lot of swimmers in the water with a lot of sunscreen on. But I think we need to be careful about blaming a particular ingredient group because the science shows that it’s across the board. So we do have zinc sunscreens as well, which are really, really fantastic but they’re zinc so there’s always always always when you use zinc in a product, there’s always going to be a faint hue on the skin or you know, evidence on the skin that you have zinc on your face. So Jan Marini has made a tinted version so that it doesn’t, it doesn’t give you that chalky appearance. It’s like a makeup base or a primer. What do they call them? BB creams. So it’s similar to that and that’s for people who are really, who feel very strongly that they need to use it as a daily protection and it sells very well. But I’ll tell you what the antioxidant daily face protectant is universally loved. Everybody loves using that product so it’s about compliance too. You can make a sunscreen that ticks all the latest fashion, you know, scientific fashion boxes but if it does leave a vague hue on the skin, or just make your skin a little bit mad, you know, there’s no glow when you have zinc on your skin. If that’s an issue for you, you’re not going to use it every day and the thing about five in skincare management system is that it’s a product that needs to be used every day, every morning, you need to apply it at the end of your regime, because that is the thing that is going to most profoundly prevent skin damage going forward.

Trish  

And I guess with that one, I guess the thing to remember is that you need to apply it more than once in the day like I have one in my car.

Vivien

Yeah. Depends where you live. If you live in Melbourne, you don’t.

Trish  

I don’t know if they’ve had some pretty spectacular weather there. Well, not at the moment, a moment ago.

Vivien 

No, no, that’s true. No, look, I totally agree with you. You need to reapply it. If you’re out in the sun, if you’re outdoors. If you’re sweating, if you’re swimming, all of those things that might compromise the coverage. Yes, it needs to be reapplied, but for everyday use and going to the office or hanging out with friends indoors, there is still UV radiation bouncing around. But a morning application is generally adequate for that, particularly if you wear makeup as well. Makeup gives you a whether or not the makeup has some protection factor in it, the physical barrier of makeup will give you some protection. 

Trish 

Yep. And it looks like one thing I like because it’s not just the five skincare range, but we won’t go through them all. But one thing that I love is the fact that you guys are committed to continuous improvement because even though you’ve got a complete range of everything you do need, like we just mentioned a bit that the latest cream that you’ve got, at the moment the Hyla3D Cream.

Vivien  

The Hyla3D Cream, that’s pretty incredible. 

Trish 

Oh, I loved it. Yeah. It’s luscious.

Vivien

It’s really amazing, it’s lush, very luscious, isn’t it? And you only need a tiny bit again, because it’s just spread so beautifully, doesn’t it? 

Trish  

Yeah. So tell us about that one before we finish off.

Vivien  

It’s got some great technologies in it. So these are once again Jan Marini Skin Research patented technology. So they own the patents, they develop the molecules, and they have formulated them in this product. So it’s five different types of hyaluronic acid, which is really, you know, remarkable. They’re all different molecular weights, and they enhance each other’s bioavailability. So generally hyaluronic acid that you can buy from anywhere overseas, most of it is manufactured probably in Asia, I would say in China, most of it would come from Eastern Europe, they’re big manufacturers of these sorts of ingredients. So, most hyaluronic acid products, the hyaluronic acid just sits on the surface and draws water from your skin so that your skin appears chilly and plump and hydrated but it’s a very short lived effect. And it’s only because those molecules are sitting on the surface. So Jan Marini Skin Research develop a number of molecules that do penetrates so they will draw water into the dermis into the epidermal junction, dermal epidermal junction, they will draw water within the skin so that your skin remains plump, et cetera, over a period of time and that applied daily will really rehydrate dehydrated skin. It’s a great product to use when you’ve been in air conditioning, you know or seating in winter, you

Trish 

Work in the office, but yet my skin gets fully dry and I just love using something like that. Yeah, winter.

Vivien  

It’s very hydrating, isn’t it? And the other remarkable thing we found, from our clinical observations is that it seems to be calming inflammation as well. So people who have, who tend to get spotty discoloration, you know, red blotches or even pigment that’s quite obvious. It seems to be calming all that down so we’re really impressed with it. It’s a fantastic product, and it’s got a very, very good barrier protection ingredient in it, which we probably would assume is the thing that’s restoring skin that tends to get inflamed.

Trish 

I do like that one. I’ve actually got it sitting by my bed. And it’s the very last thing I put on before I go to bed at night, just the tiniest amount, but it makes me feel all like, I don’t know, it’s like having a glass of water before bed.

Vivien   

Yeah, yeah, it’s lovely when your skin is so receptive to the product, isn’t it? 

Trish  

Exactly, until we say so before we go. So how can people buy your range like, like, because you do need to hook yourself up with a good practitioner, you cannot just decide what you think is right for skin, which I’ve been doing my whole life. Look yourself up with someone who knows what they’re doing?

Vivien   

Yes. And look, the best thing to do is to contact us, we have a fantastic team that can help you over the phone or by email. And, you know, just reach out to us, we can guide you to a good practitioner. We like people, we’d like to be confident that the people we send to a practitioner are going to be well cared for and well looked after and well advised. So if there’s someone in their area that can provide that sort of background, yes, we’ll definitely refer them. But we can do a lot of it over the phone. So you, okay, so you just have to call 1800 330 855 or email us at [email protected].

Trish 

Amazing, amazing. And I’ve got to say thank you so much for your help. I love the fact that you can reach up a phone and find out that it was on and I just, I’m a bit of a junkie.

Vivien 

Or a fan. It was lovely to talk to you. Lovely to see you over the screen.

Trish 

Thank you for taking the time.

Vivien

Thank you. Thank you so much.

Trish   

Have a great day. And listeners look, if you do want to find out more about the range. You can google it on what we’ve done, a whole bunch of articles are on the website. You can really listen to the transcripts of some podcasts when it’s up as well or you can just make that phone call. So thank you so much for joining us.

Vivien

Thank you Trish. 

Trish

Thanks Vivian. Bye!

You can find out more about Jan Marini Skin Care here https://janmariniaustralia.com.au/ 

Call 1800 330 855 or email them at [email protected] 

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